POLL - Futures: How do you determine the trend?

POLL - Futures: How do you determine the trend?

  • Single MA

    Votes: 39 22.9%
  • Dual MA crossover

    Votes: 50 29.4%
  • Trendline

    Votes: 61 35.9%
  • N-day breakout

    Votes: 20 11.8%

  • Total voters
    170
Yes please please please do it!

I have followed surf from his time at cleartrader (or whatever ithis site was called when he was trading options)... he seems like a nice guy, but I never took the trouble to verify if his posted picks made money or not...

I do say however that I saw the Prof call trades in real time for a week or so and he had zero trouble whatsoever snagging 2 ES points a day while doing other things at the same time... furthermore, he only traded part of the day, and I am quite sure he could have done 5 or so.

So, now is the time to face up surfer. OF COURSE you are not going to do it, I am quite sure.
And if you do, you will lose, no question at all in my mind.... I would be willing to put real money on that.
Anybody interested in a bet?
 
Quote from Charlie Dow:

First, I will never do anything at the bequest of a puppet tabloid reporter such as yourself. Lately even your followers have seen and stated their disappointment in your comments. Your true colors are blossoming.

I will offer to have it tattooed on your ass. Entirely at my expense. There's definitely plenty of room for all the Rules.

OR

Be my personal guest for a one-on-one trade-off. Just you and me trading the Spot EURO for 8 straight hours . . . in front of an audience of my choice. (This way I can be sure of having a non bias group calmly watching the trading) Ten real contracts each. The one with the most profit at the end of 8 hours wins. The loser posts and personally pays for a half page ad in the Wall Street Journal published within 5 days after the trade-off publicly apologizing for his disappointing attitude toward others, ad to include real name of loser, all web sites of loser & picture of loser and tauts the superiority of the winner's trading methods in the ad. The loser and loser's IP address will also be permanently banned from ET.

Up for it . . . or are YOU afraid?


sorry, dow, i issued a legitimate challenge first. you are the one backing down and countering with an absurdity.

i don't sell my trading systems, YOU DO. i make no claims about my systems--- other than the proof has been published since 2000 regarding the effectiveness of the index program and uncannily accurate stock picks.

why won't you submit to testing of your system? think of all the new clients you could generate from providing an unbiased test of your "perfect" trading program ( per your site ).

surfer:confused: :D
 
Quote from Vienna:

Yes please please please do it!

I have followed surf from his time at cleartrader (or whatever ithis site was called when he was trading options)... he seems like a nice guy, but I never took the trouble to verify if his posted picks made money or not...

I do say however that I saw the Prof call trades in real time for a week or so and he had zero trouble whatsoever snagging 2 ES points a day while doing other things at the same time... furthermore, he only traded part of the day, and I am quite sure he could have done 5 or so.

So, now is the time to face up surfer. OF COURSE you are not going to do it, I am quite sure.
And if you do, you will lose, no question at all in my mind.... I would be willing to put real money on that.
Anybody interested in a bet?

hey vienna,

long time no chat. nice to see an old name from clearstation.

i believe that you witnesses the prof making the trades. however, as you know, i don't sell a system, seminars or anything like that--- and i issued the challenge first to dow-- since, apparently he has a highly effective method-- why does he hesitate having it verified and tested by an impartial party such as murray ruggerio or another??

best,

surfer
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

why won't you submit to testing of your system? think of all the new clients you could generate from providing an unbiased test of your "perfect" trading program ( per your site ).

surfer:confused: :D

You have been confused most of your life . . . what is new.

I'm not interested in generating anything but egg on your face. As Vienna stated, we all knew you would back down from a public challenge. It absolutely doesn't matter that you don't sell systems, you sell wolf tickets you can't cash and have done it for years here on ET.

You want an unbiased test . . . you have it. Beginning February, 13th, 2005, after I am done traveling, I will trade a virgin account starting with $10,000.00 for 20 days straight but not here on ET. We have all seen what you and your cronies can do to a journal. This will give you 20 full days to see that Trend following has absolutely nothing to do with "buying tops or selling bottoms" or survivorship bias as you usually spew. This will be an account that I will post the account statement to on a daily basis. I challenge you to do the same. Both of us trading the Spot EURO. My worthless Trend following system against the best of whatever-you-call-what-you-do. So if you kick my butt I will give you ever bit of information on how I trade. Any information regarding it that you want and I will leave ET forever in humiliation. I will even give you the profits off my virgin account. But when I kick your butt, and I will, what will you give me? Make it fair now surfer . . . if you have a problem with understanding what that word "fair" means I can direct you to www.dictionary.com .
 
Quote from Charlie Dow:



You want an unbiased test . . . you have it. Beginning February, 13th, 2005, after I am done traveling, I will trade a virgin account starting with $10,000.00 for 20 days straight but not here on ET. We have all seen what you and your cronies can do to a journal. This will give you 20 full days to see that Trend following has absolutely nothing to do with "buying tops or selling bottoms" or survivorship bias as you usually spew. This will be an account that I will post the account statement to on a daily basis. I challenge you to do the same. Both of us trading the Spot EURO. My worthless Trend following system against the best of whatever-you-call-what-you-do. .

I don't think this competition will ever happen but I bet there are a lot of other traders out there that would love to see the results of your trading. I think it would certainly shut up a lot of people (or prove them right) once and for all to see real results especially for this extended period of time. So hopefully you will decide to do it regardless if you will be joined or not.
 
ah, so i see, you dont even understand my original request to have your system objectively tested. your inane and absurd responses make your position clear, your system obviously will not stand up to objective testing.

no more comments.


surfer

:confused:
 
Charlie, Are we to interpret your lack of enthusiasm in testing your system to

1) You are unable to describe your system well enough for testing?

2) Your system is too precious to disclose or let mere mortals test.


3) Your system is essentially subjective and thus unsuitable to objective testing?


Seriously what is the basis of your objection?
 
Quote from Charlie Dow:

snip.....

You want an unbiased test . . . you have it. Beginning February, 13th, 2005, after I am done traveling, I will trade a virgin account starting with $10,000.00 for 20 days straight but not here on ET. ..... .


Now not only we have the perfect system with no losers but Charlie has also found the answer to timetravel.....

No problem to predict what has happened after 13th Feb 2005, I can that too. Anyone on this board can.

ROFLMAO
 
Quote from Charlie Dow:

You have been confused most of your life . . . what is new.

I'm not interested in generating anything but egg on your face. As Vienna stated, we all knew you would back down from a public challenge. It absolutely doesn't matter that you don't sell systems, you sell wolf tickets you can't cash and have done it for years here on ET.

You want an unbiased test . . . you have it. Beginning February, 13th, 2005, after I am done traveling, I will trade a virgin account starting with $10,000.00 for 20 days straight but not here on ET. We have all seen what you and your cronies can do to a journal. This will give you 20 full days to see that Trend following has absolutely nothing to do with "buying tops or selling bottoms" or survivorship bias as you usually spew. This will be an account that I will post the account statement to on a daily basis. I challenge you to do the same. Both of us trading the Spot EURO. My worthless Trend following system against the best of whatever-you-call-what-you-do. So if you kick my butt I will give you ever bit of information on how I trade. Any information regarding it that you want and I will leave ET forever in humiliation. I will even give you the profits off my virgin account. But when I kick your butt, and I will, what will you give me? Make it fair now surfer . . . if you have a problem with understanding what that word "fair" means I can direct you to www.dictionary.com .


hey prof, I for one would love to see how this account plays out. Please do give it a shot regardless and lets see how it works out.
 
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