POLL for traders who trade the Jack Hershey method(s) in real time with real money

If you actually trade with real money using Jack's method in real time, please vote:

  • I have traded Jack's method(s) for over 6 months with real money in real time, and I [b]made[/b] mon

    Votes: 64 32.0%
  • I have traded Jack's method(s) for over 6 months with real money in real time, and I [b]lost[/b] mon

    Votes: 136 68.0%

  • Total voters
    200
Good point stereo, I think this method is very labor intensive and difficult but does get easier in time with practice. I would be suspicious if it were so easy and money would fall from the sky but I know just how much work and time is required so I see my results as the fruits of a lot of labor rather than some free lunch.

Quote from stereo70:


This is not some "easy" method...it takes time/work -- it's like people are under the impression that there is some implicit guarantee.
 
Quote from Harold Balls:

I dont claim being right 100% of the time, I just dont take losses. Which means, when I am wrong, I see this before the mkt has had a chance to move against me (usually it moves in my favor a tad). I can then get back on the right side again catching the mkts next leg.


Hi harold,

At this point you need to ramp up further in contracts.

I can see that you recognize the times of the day when you can't be flat out.

When you do have a medium/high/ extrodinary market rolling, then you need to use a way to take on more contracts.

This is what others have done.

Each week work through the following.

1. Apply all profits to adding contracts or the protions of days that are rolling.

2. On Friday sweep your account back to 54 contracts margin. Use the swept capital in PVT up to 100,000 share cap per stream ofcapital and partial entries and exits according to the blocks going through on T&S.

Here is the benifit of these two activities. You will begin each week and ease on up aways in contract levels you start below 50 on average and then you do start above 50 by Wednesday and that gives you 2 or so days above 50 on parts of those days.

As you know we are going to expert by end of the year. As you look at the T&S (use one display with 50 or more) you see the league that SCT plays in. You see when the top three games are being played on the DOM as well.

The thing we are mostly looking at during this transion is how the players break up thier trading position into trading blocks. I did an example of reversing 750 in three blocks of 500 recently.

In the next few weeks just trade a block when you can. After that the beginning of a week with 54 contracts can go to doing the added contracts from profits falt out and breaking the total number into rapid fire partial fills that will go off at about the same market prices as you will see.

the underpinning of having to add contracts as profits are made is a condition that "warrents" the addition. It is a condition that by doing so you get small coninuing "boosts" in support, comfort and confidence emotional aspects. Our definition of comfort is other than you are flowing capital beyond lifetime expectations and is directed more to the FACT that you "have the goods" to trade on higher and higher levels as you EARN that priviledge.

What the expression "cars" means will become apparent to you after a while.

What is happening in this thread is a general shift by a lot of people towards the regocnition of how successful traders are using sizes of contracts that ET does not ordinarily have in its pages. 2007 is making this a different situation at least with respect to the ES and equities.

1 family out of 110 is a millionaire family. Anyone can drive around their town and count the houses. For every 10,000 homes there are about 100 millionaires.

We aren't doing the CNBC thing where multiple registration gets you the million bucks and doing short squeeses wins you the wekly 10,000.

In SCT as it goes on up from beginner to intermediate is what it is like to win over 10,000 to 50,000 a day and by the end of a 12 week CNBC contest a real 1,000,000 dollars has been racked up.

Weekly sweepings get you revved for later when you will be doing rapid fire partial fills to get your reversals over the tops and through the troughs.

I appreciate your interacting with others so they can begin to move from one viewpoint to another. I know you understand that some people have crossed the line where they are so deep into the conventional orthodoxy that it is an irreversable mental situation for them.

Gerry, google and you will find all of your answers; they have been up on the web in some cases since about '90 when we passed 10,000 for the known number of people doing this paradigm. Around there you will find a contest finalist who got the count for us.

I am going to spend my primary time in 2007 working on the expert level starting with PVT journal and ending with the SCT journal.
 
Quote from stereo70:
This is not some "easy" method...
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Why is that?
Why should channel trading be so complex and require so much training?
Hasn't channel trading existed for a long time?
 
Quote from gerry875:

ok - seriously -..

here are a few very simple questions:

if i remember correctly it has been mentioned elsewhere several times that even an automated version exists.

semi-auto, it still need you (the trader) at some point.

so if this is true so far AND those who developed it are so generous to share it with the rest of the world, then:

1. why are there traders who want to learn how to do it "by hand" at all?
to re-wire your (the trader) brain.

2. why is not yet running an automated version in almost every household in the usa?

only time will tell.

3. what if sooner or later this all makes its ultimate breakthrough around the world and every person who likes can trade it and make money with it - for example in the ES - and what if much more than 50% of the volume in every liquid futures market comes from "sct" - then where should all those massive profits come from?

Don't worry about how others make profit, lets worry about how you are going to make it.
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today - how many profitable (top level) "sct"-traders are there already around the world (3 times the range or more / 50 lots or more / 40 trades per day or more)?

and how many different markets (futures intraday) around the world are traded by these traders?

see above.

and if sooner or later we see that broad "sct" breakthrough - how long will it take until the worldwide "sct community" runs out of markets that qualify for this?

-- and why has all this not happened yet?

how long? it's all depend on each individual trader.
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if this is so easy to learn for anyone of at least average intelligence (within a year or so) -

no, before spyder and ET it is very hard to learn. I will say it is immpossible to learn. Now it's easier than before but there is no such thing as 'so easy' if it's 'so easy' then you already master it by now.

then i think there should be so far at least 1,000 sct traders around the world (or in the usa) doing this at top level (see above) -
before spyder, there are probl couple of guys know how to do it partially so 1,000 sct trader is just a fiction number.

in the ES alone - since your masterguru claims to have mentored a lot of traders in the last 50 or whatever years AND all those are also obliged to forward their knowledge and skills.
sad to say, this didn't happen until spyder penned his first journal.

just a few important figures:

40 trades per day with 50 lots means 2,000 traded lots per day in the ES for every top level "sct"-trader. the ES trades around 1 million lots per day - if we had at least 1,000 sct traders that alone would make 2 million lots every day ...

(maybe this or next year we will see if at least one person can proceed to 2,000 lots per day / always in / making 3 times the range / etc. - your masterguru claimed that it will happen - in fact almost all of them should be able to do it - so let's see ...). [/B]

this linear reasoning never make sense i.e. if you make 1k today then it mean you make 365K for one year. Also see Harold Balls for more on what to expect realistically
http://elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1401075#post1401075
 
You might as well get a new identity here because this shines a spotlight on you as an ignorant liar... who doesn't even know enough about trading to fabricate believable lies! Not that any or your other posts make sense... just a thought! :)
Quote from Harold Balls:

And, no, I DONT take losses anymore. I am quick to sweep data and see when what I had identified as something turns out not to be but I am able to see this BEFORE the mkt has a chance to move against me. The best part is, when this happens, I just reverse my position and make money by entering back on the right side of the market.
 
Yawn...same old same old from you. You are getting quite trite, possibly time for a new alias? :p

Quote from Trader666:

You might as well get a new identity here because this shines a spotlight on you as an ignorant liar... who doesn't even know enough about trading to fabricate believable lies! Not that any or your other posts make sense... just a thought! :)
 
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