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POLL for traders who trade the Jack Hershey method(s) in real time with real money
- Thread starter Thunderdog
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marketsurfer wrote:
Whose prose are you referring to...Jack's?
one of the marks of genius is the ability to take a complex topic/subject and convert it into an easily understood form(at).
upon review and disection of the subject writers prose, it appears that the opposite from above occurs. simple is made to appear complex--- this fact brings to mind all types of devious thoughts that i will not mention.
regards, surf
Whose prose are you referring to...Jack's?
Most of my posts are responses.
There are many comments on their quality and appropriateness, usually from the viewpoint of the evaluator.
It all is a good input for how to address the editing on the books coming up. I do not believe I'll be slowing the readers down with these one and two sentence paragraphs.
This week had a lot of posters changing their names, I see. Same old linguistics though.
It was good to see some inital discussion on what kind of daily ranges have the most yield possibilities. I wonder if the sidussion will come around to how many times the daily range is covered in the morning, midday and the pm.
As the market opens the first bar IS the daily range so the H-L covered right off. By the time points 1.2 and 3 are in place the H-L is usually covered at least twice. Seeing a HVS drop into place means you're trading every bar for a while and so it goes.
But we have 63 losers and only 37 winners. What is it like to vote on the loser's side and actually not be trading either PVT or SCT.....lol..... If only 9 more people would have done it by now we would have a 1:2 ratio....lol... So we get 2 losers for one winner if 6 months pass. It was nice to see the two sides come into balance. it looks like the old ratio of 1:4 has to be scrapped. Even funnier is how the votes were cast and by whom. We were only able to keep the old ratio at the very beginning when thunderdog wasn't voting. At least we learned that in ET no one does the PVT and SCT either successfully or unsuccessfully. Small potatoes. All those journal posts for all that time for only 37 winners. At least in 2007 we get to take both PVT and SCT up to expert by the end of the year.
One thing that was achieved was learning the value of doing something for 6 months. It is something to reflect on doing a method for 100 times that length. Oh well 99 bottles of beer on the wall......
The one thing that emerges for me is that it is important for a person to realize and recognize when he has crossed the line on the mental effects of the conventional orthodoxy.
The literature finally came through on what the psychological and physiological evaluations mean for conventional orthodoxy trading BY SUCCESSFUL TRADERS who trade big time. The five leaders in the evaluation field are having their results present for the first time at expos attended by the public which goes to the free attendance expos.
This biased evaluation where people can afford to pay for their evaluations in scientific studies only relects on he 10% side of trading where there are just winners in well financed corps that control the big pools of capital.
Here we got to deal with two additional groups: the pool extractors and all those who do not do pool extraction one way (they lose at pool extraction) or another (they post polls on behalf of heir group for solidarity).
Both of these groups are the lessor performers of the group of followers of the conventiional orthodoxy in which the evaluated people fall.
There are many groups of traders excluded from the main large group of 90% failures. The wizards have a lot of examples of traders who were not using the conventional orthodoxy. Almost every non conventional trading method that produces any amount of successful traders fit into the "unbelievable" and "astonishing" categories of their observers and pollsters and pundant critiques.
We are using combinations of platforms and wealthlab scripts and tons of personal coding to get out of the box by necessity. So have others whose bios have been documented. The whole indicator industry made possible by the advent of arithmatic is another example of the huge forces at play achieved by adding sums of numbers and stridently using a divisor after counting the number of elements in the sum.
What does happen if people find out that there are leading indicators of traded price and, further, it is an alternative.
That would be like telling railroad barrons that their refusal to put wings on steam locomotives was not the end of the discussion.
Anyway. Reaching 100 votes was a milestone and it really proves something. I think it is so funny that the electronic world has turned out to be one of the best places for people to kid one another and believe that they are getting away with it. And on the other hand some people who are placing demands on others that are very amusing in the other direction. In this thread both worlds met when a demand was made to have proof of how persons were losers. lol........
Most people, it turns out, have never seen the markets and they prove it every day.
We can vote again in 2008 right after things wind up in 2007.
There are many comments on their quality and appropriateness, usually from the viewpoint of the evaluator.
It all is a good input for how to address the editing on the books coming up. I do not believe I'll be slowing the readers down with these one and two sentence paragraphs.
This week had a lot of posters changing their names, I see. Same old linguistics though.
It was good to see some inital discussion on what kind of daily ranges have the most yield possibilities. I wonder if the sidussion will come around to how many times the daily range is covered in the morning, midday and the pm.
As the market opens the first bar IS the daily range so the H-L covered right off. By the time points 1.2 and 3 are in place the H-L is usually covered at least twice. Seeing a HVS drop into place means you're trading every bar for a while and so it goes.
But we have 63 losers and only 37 winners. What is it like to vote on the loser's side and actually not be trading either PVT or SCT.....lol..... If only 9 more people would have done it by now we would have a 1:2 ratio....lol... So we get 2 losers for one winner if 6 months pass. It was nice to see the two sides come into balance. it looks like the old ratio of 1:4 has to be scrapped. Even funnier is how the votes were cast and by whom. We were only able to keep the old ratio at the very beginning when thunderdog wasn't voting. At least we learned that in ET no one does the PVT and SCT either successfully or unsuccessfully. Small potatoes. All those journal posts for all that time for only 37 winners. At least in 2007 we get to take both PVT and SCT up to expert by the end of the year.
One thing that was achieved was learning the value of doing something for 6 months. It is something to reflect on doing a method for 100 times that length. Oh well 99 bottles of beer on the wall......
The one thing that emerges for me is that it is important for a person to realize and recognize when he has crossed the line on the mental effects of the conventional orthodoxy.
The literature finally came through on what the psychological and physiological evaluations mean for conventional orthodoxy trading BY SUCCESSFUL TRADERS who trade big time. The five leaders in the evaluation field are having their results present for the first time at expos attended by the public which goes to the free attendance expos.
This biased evaluation where people can afford to pay for their evaluations in scientific studies only relects on he 10% side of trading where there are just winners in well financed corps that control the big pools of capital.
Here we got to deal with two additional groups: the pool extractors and all those who do not do pool extraction one way (they lose at pool extraction) or another (they post polls on behalf of heir group for solidarity).
Both of these groups are the lessor performers of the group of followers of the conventiional orthodoxy in which the evaluated people fall.
There are many groups of traders excluded from the main large group of 90% failures. The wizards have a lot of examples of traders who were not using the conventional orthodoxy. Almost every non conventional trading method that produces any amount of successful traders fit into the "unbelievable" and "astonishing" categories of their observers and pollsters and pundant critiques.
We are using combinations of platforms and wealthlab scripts and tons of personal coding to get out of the box by necessity. So have others whose bios have been documented. The whole indicator industry made possible by the advent of arithmatic is another example of the huge forces at play achieved by adding sums of numbers and stridently using a divisor after counting the number of elements in the sum.
What does happen if people find out that there are leading indicators of traded price and, further, it is an alternative.
That would be like telling railroad barrons that their refusal to put wings on steam locomotives was not the end of the discussion.
Anyway. Reaching 100 votes was a milestone and it really proves something. I think it is so funny that the electronic world has turned out to be one of the best places for people to kid one another and believe that they are getting away with it. And on the other hand some people who are placing demands on others that are very amusing in the other direction. In this thread both worlds met when a demand was made to have proof of how persons were losers. lol........
Most people, it turns out, have never seen the markets and they prove it every day.
We can vote again in 2008 right after things wind up in 2007.
Quote from Bearbelly:
Do you really think this poll is a true reflection of things? I know one detractor of Jacks who has at least 6 aliases and Ill bet he voted each of them. Some on the other side may have done the same thing. In any case I cannot take this poll seriously.
I agree . . .
There are more people that don't understand what Jack and Spyder do than actually trade in this forum anyway.
"We can vote again in 2008 right after things wind up in 2007"
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, maybe next year Jack.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, maybe next year Jack.
Let me be clear. I have no aliases and I have not voted in this poll because I am ineligible.Quote from jack hershey:
...We were only able to keep the old ratio at the very beginning when thunderdog wasn't voting...
Indeed.Quote from jack hershey:
...I think it is so funny that the electronic world has turned out to be one of the best places for people to kid one another and believe that they are getting away with it...
"So 38 people out of 100 are making money with a totally FREE method."
Huge success? What if the other 62 lost money? Great post Joab.
Huge success? What if the other 62 lost money? Great post Joab.
Quote from rhymeswithorang:
"So 38 people out of 100 are making money with a totally FREE method."
Huge success? What if the other 62 lost money? Great post Joab.
The others would have lost money anyway and if 38 can do it successfully there is hope that the others can find out what "they" did wrong and LEARN.
BearJelly, let me assure you that neither I nor mine voted in the poll.