POLL: Evolution vs. Creation by God

[studentofthemarkets]

Mmm, k, let me ask you this question.

Is there anything in the universe that does NOT have an element of design?

That's a trick question! Because if I say yes, there are things that are completely random, even random things have existence and thus have been designed. For example, I could say that the way the wind blows is random, but is it really? There are still elements of design in the wind because wind is made up of the different gasses in the air and each of those bear the marks of being part of God's creation. Also, each of the gasses have unique weights and properties that bear some factor in how the wind moves. Another factor in the wind movement is the location the wind is coming from. If there's a cold wind from the North, then although it appears random, it bears the marks of how God designed our weather system so that a cold wind can occasionally come from the North.

So, there is randomness that occurs in the universe, but whatever things are random, those things have been designed/created, because God created all things.

Say there is a beach with the sand randomly lying on the shore. The only design that can be seen would be the intricate design of the sand particles, which we know God created, and they do show design because even down to the atomic level there is order and design.

HOWEVER, the sand does not, on it's own, build a fabulous looking sand castle. If we see one, we don't think it happened by chance or that the waves formed it or that animals built it, we know that humans designed and built the sand castle.

Hope that answers your trick question!

 

[Overnight]

That's a trick question!...

Hope that answers your trick question!

I'll get back to you on this challenge because it is getting late for me.

 

[stu]

even random things have existence and thus have been designed. For example,

..for example,
God.
Designed by humans but has existence in imagination form only.

God created all things.

..so must have created itself

That makes no sense to me.

me neither

seems things that exist in reality and have extensive evolutionary explanation, make no sense to you, whilst self-contradictory nonsensical things do.

 

[ph1l]

Are the Pectoral Fins of Tiktaalik Really Legs?
Before we get into Tiktaalik’s “legs,” it might be instructive to consider an old trick question. If we call our arms “legs,” then how many legs would we have? The answer, of course, is two legs—just because we call our arms “legs” doesn’t make them legs. The same might be said of the bony fins of Crossopterygian fish—we may call them “legs” but that doesn’t necessarily make them legs.
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It's not much of a "stretch" to see how legs could evolve into arms.

And, didn't the first human God created have three legs?

On the other hand, some appendages are clearly arms or legs.

 

[studentofthemarkets]

It's not much of a "stretch" to see how legs could evolve into arms.
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And, didn't the first human God created have three legs?

On the other hand, some appendages are clearly arms or legs.

I can draw a tree becoming a human too, but that doesn't mean that it happened that way.

This article is very lengthy, so I'm just posting this, completely out of context, because it makes the point that just because there are similarities between things does not prove evolution! The entire article addresses some claims by some evolutionists claiming that they have found some genetic evidence supporting the fish fins to vertebrate limbs evolutionary view. Emphasis added.

The issue to focus on is not similarities, since we obviously share some traits with fish (we are made of cells and are vertebrates). Can Shubin and his team demonstrate that the genes that control the development of fish fins switched over by a Darwinian mechanism before Tiktaalik to start creating digits on limbs? Finding genes that make different structures is not enough to win an evolution debate because a designer could reuse code for different purposes. For instance, the Sonic hedgehog gene (Shh) is widely used in vertebrates. Shubin needs to demonstrate an ancestral evolutionary connection between fish and people at the location of fish fins. Otherwise, he could illogically say about any similarity, “Fish have heads and people have heads. That proves that people evolved from fish.”
https://evolutionnews.org/2022/01/more-fishy-tales-afoot-from-neil-shubin/​

 

[studentofthemarkets]

And, didn't the first human God created have three legs?

WHAT?!!!

 

[studentofthemarkets]

 

[Overnight]

" “Fish have heads and people have heads. That proves that people evolved from fish.”

Y'all just had to go there, didn't you. I hate you all!

 

[ph1l]

WHAT?!!!

I guess I was lazy and didn't include a link to explain my crass joke.

I can draw a tree becoming a human too, but that doesn't mean that it happened that way.

This article is very lengthy, so I'm just posting this, completely out of context, because it makes the point that just because there are similarities between things does not prove evolution! The entire article addresses some claims by some evolutionists claiming that they have found some genetic evidence supporting the fish fins to vertebrate limbs evolutionary view. Emphasis added.

The issue to focus on is not similarities, since we obviously share some traits with fish (we are made of cells and are vertebrates). Can Shubin and his team demonstrate that the genes that control the development of fish fins switched over by a Darwinian mechanism before Tiktaalik to start creating digits on limbs? Finding genes that make different structures is not enough to win an evolution debate because a designer could reuse code for different purposes. For instance, the Sonic hedgehog gene (Shh) is widely used in vertebrates. Shubin needs to demonstrate an ancestral evolutionary connection between fish and people at the location of fish fins. Otherwise, he could illogically say about any similarity, “Fish have heads and people have heads. That proves that people evolved from fish.”
https://evolutionnews.org/2022/01/more-fishy-tales-afoot-from-neil-shubin/​

It's not just similarities, it's also how small changes over time turn into big changes.

Here is another illustration of how evolution happens.

 

[Overnight]

I guess I was lazy and didn't include a link to explain my crass joke.


It's not just similarities, it's also how small changes over time turn into big changes...

Dude, you lost student at the homer-cell-division bit. That is beyond his understanding.