Polar Temps... warming... all guesswork
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Hey, if temperatures had continued rising at the high rate predicted back in the 1990s, support would still be strong. Instead we have the pause. And I guess the release of all those secret emails didn't help.
When it's actually put to a vote, there's close to 100% agreement that temperatures have been increasing since roughly 1970, but beyond that, there is no consensus that (a) more than about half of that temperature rise is due to man's activity, or that (b) there is any danger in the rising temperatures or rising levels of CO2.
You keep forgetting that this is not something I'm debating. I agree that close to 100% of climatologists agree that man's activity causes "global warming". That's not the subject of debate. The subject of debate is "how much warming does it cause." And that's where the science no longer supports the fears you like so much.
You keep forgetting that my position is that the planet is getting warmer and that man has caused some of that. What's wrong with your memory? Since you're a leftie, you probably use a lot of marijuana. Did you know that it effects your memory?
Hey, this is more research bought and paid for by the same government that brought you the global warming science, LOL:
Cannabis-related episodic memory deficits and hippocampal morphological differences in healthy individuals and schizophrenia subjects.
Smith, Cobia, Reilly, Gilman, Roberts, Alpert, Wang, Breiter and Csernansky
Hippocampus, 2015 March 11 [Epub ahead of print]
Cannabis use has been associated with episodic memory (EM) impairments and abnormal hippocampus morphology among both healthy individuals and schizophrenia subjects. Considering the hippocampus' role in EM, research is needed to evaluate the relationship between cannabis-related hippocampal morphology and EM among healthy and clinical groups. We examined differences in hippocampus morphology between control and schizophrenia subjects with and without a past (not current) cannabis use disorder (CUD).
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Shape differences observed in CON-CUD were associated with poorer EM performance, while shape differences observed in SCZ-CUD were associated with a longer duration of CUD and shorter duration of CUD remission. A past history of CUD may be associated with notable differences in hippocampal morphology and EM impairments among adults with and without schizophrenia.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25760303
There is no pause.
There is broad consensus that most of the warming of the last fifty years is due to man.
Pardon me if I've forgotten your position. It's hard to keep straight all the various right wing nuts here and you say the same ludicrous things like "Collapsing scientific support".
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There is no pause.
There is broad consensus that most of the warming of the last fifty years is due to man.
Pardon me if I've forgotten your position. It's hard to keep straight all the various right wing nuts here and you say the same ludicrous things like "Collapsing scientific support".
You are right about one thing. There is no pause. Because there never was a trend in the first place. It was just a phony, manufactured data stream.
And actual temps and the global warming con models will continue to diverge since they were constructed using the same phony, adjusted data.
And you'll continue to be astonished when the models permanently diverge from reality because you've bought the BS hook, line and sinker.
It's clear that you don't read the science literature. You get your information from websites that cater to your beliefs. Here are some peer reviewed articles about the pause that you deny exists, LOL. I pulled these off of the Nature website which is probably the most authoritative journal in science. The debate goes on whether you take notice of it or not:
Indian Ocean may be key to global warming 'hiatus'
18 May, 2015, Julia Rosen, Nature News
The Indian Ocean may be the dark horse in the quest to explain the puzzling pause in global warming, researchers report on 18 May in Nature Geoscience1.
http://www.nature.com/news/indian-ocean-may-be-key-to-global-warming-hiatus-1.17505
Seasonal Aspects of the recent Pause in Surface Warming
20 May, 2014, Trenberth, Fasullo, Branstator, Phillips, Nature Climate Change
Factors involved in the recent pause in the rise of global mean temperatures are examined seasonally.
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n10/full/nclimate2341.html
Climate Change: The Case of the Missing Heat
15 January 2014, Tollefson, Nature News Feature
For several years, scientists wrote off the stall as noise in the climate system: the natural variations in the atmosphere, oceans and biosphere that drive warm or cool spells around the globe. But the pause has persisted, sparking a minor crisis of confidence in the field. Although there have been jumps and dips, average atmospheric temperatures have risen little since 1998, in seeming defiance of projections of climate models and the ever-increasing emissions of greenhouse gases.
http://www.nature.com/news/climate-change-the-case-of-the-missing-heat-1.14525
Atlantic Ocean Key to Global-Warming Pause
21 August, 2014, Lovett, Nature News
An apparent slowdown in global warming since the late 1990s may be due to changes in circulation patterns in the Atlantic and Southern oceans, suggests a study published in the 22 August Science1.
http://www.nature.com/news/atlantic-ocean-key-to-global-warming-pause-1.15755
Contribution of Natural Decadal Variability to Global Warming Acceleration and Hiatus
23 May 2014, Watanabe, Shiogama, Tateve, Hayashi, Ishii and Kimoto, Nature Climate Change
Reasons for the apparent pause in the rise of global-mean surface air temperature (SAT) after the turn of the century has been a mystery, undermining confidence in climate projections.
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n10/full/nclimate2355.html
Recent Slowdown in Global Warming
Focus, Nature Climate Change & Nature Geoscience
From the industrial revolution onwards, greenhouse gas emissions resulting from human activities such as the burning of fossil fuel and changes in land use have caused the planet to warm. However, since 1998 — a year of record warmth — the rate of warming has been lower than in the late twentieth century. In this joint web focus, Nature Climate Change and Nature Geoscience present original research and opinion pieces that discuss the causes of the slowdown in surface warming and examine how the science has been communicated by researchers and the media.
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/focus/slowdown-global-warm/index.html
There are two take-away points from the above. The first is that the pause is so widely discussed in the peer reviewed literature that the prestigious journal Nature Geoscience devotes a webpage to it. If you're going to rely on the authority of science, you have to allow for the fact that the pause exists.
Instead of denying the existence of the pause, you would do better by claiming that the pause is understood and has been explained. (It's too late to claim that the pause was predicted. The fact that it was not shows that recent claims that global warming is settled science were at least untrue and, given the evidence from the scandalous emails, probably a deliberate fraud.)
Of course the problem with claiming that the pause has been explained is that when you actually read the above literature, you will discover that the pause has too many daddies. It seems that every climate scientist has an explanation for the pause but their many explanations are not compatible with each other. Those us whose brains have not been degraded by years of cannabis abuse understand that this is only to be expected from a den of thieves. They can't agree on their explanation for why they've been caught red handed with stolen merchandise. The only reasonable response is to put them all in jail. Certainly there is no certainty in climate science and the science is not at all settled.
Just stopping at your first one... If the rest of the planet's warming is paused, but the Indian Ocean is warming, then the planet is warming.
There is also the niggling detail of putting the "pause" into the context of centuries, much less millennia . . .
Hard for most of us to get our heads around problems centuries in the making. I admit I'm much more disturbed by the amount of plastics and other trash in the oceans, today.
Longer term I think it's troubling that the oceans are storing the heat. Of course they had to warm eventually if the atmosphere is warming, but for them to act as big sinks up front and "hide" warming from us surface dwellers, many will think there's no warming, or think, "who cares? It's the ocean." Then there is the problem of how comparatively slowly they give that heat up--once they're warmed they stay that way for a long time. But, I'll be long gone. Some other Self's worry.
Arctic sea ice hit a record low this winter. Here's why it matters.
In time the government will step in the way they did with the lead in the gasoline debate many moons ago.