Please Help.. Please

Just sim trade until you have a few months of consistent profits.

If you are not willing to spend that time trading "fake" money, it is a sure sign you are afraid of missing out, and are a gambler.

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Quote from mrnate22:

Day 5 Experiment

I am ready to quit trading.. I just can't handle my emotions.. I again took a mediocre setup and once again it failed.. but instead of being patient, I got extremely upset cause I'm so frustrated with my lack of discipline so I kept revenge trading and losing boat loads of money..

I spotted a great setup but even this stock only went up 30 cents before reversing.. I'm gonna give it one more week and if I don't improve, it will have to give it up.. I can't keep losing thousands of dollars cause of my stupid emotions..

Stop trading because you are not even close to solving this problem. Do you think that one more week will make a difference when five years have not? Take a break.
If you try to suppress or overcome your emotions or use your mind to control them, then they build up and eventually take over. You are giving them strength, you are making them matter. It's the Chinese finger trap.
You need to disconnect your trading from your emotions/ego but you wont do that because that is the very reason why you are trading. You are trying to control your emotions so you can experience even more emotion.
 
Quote from marketsurfer:
Interesting. I hear this all the time from traders. My contention is even though good money management isnt an edge, it will keep you in the game long enough to take advantage of LUCK. Those huge winning days that are guaranteed to happen if you are in the game long enough.

it isnt edge, but LUCK will arrive if you can stay in the game via money management.

Agreed. If you can manage a 50/50 win/loss ratio, and have great money management and discipline to always cut your losers before they get huge, then your losers will cancel out many of your winners, but there will be those periodic massive winners that can keep your account growing.
 
Quote from nillionaire:

Agreed. If you can manage a 50/50 win/loss ratio, and have great money management and discipline to always cut your losers before they get huge, then your losers will cancel out many of your winners, but there will be those periodic massive winners that can keep your account growing.

If you look at the history of any of the greats, PTJ, Soros, etc, they ALL have one or more huge lucky win that pushed them into the legend category--- took huge risk, made huge profits-- enough that they could hire edge-- this lone wolf nonsense you hear on elite about single mad scientist / chart reading master types cracking the market individually from their basements is a bunch of hogwash. surf
 
As another suggested sim trade a few days till u see if your setups are working. If not, research until you develop an edge or pay someone to mentor you. Remember there are going to be losing days no matter what, but you need to not revenge trade when you have a losing day turning it into a major loss. This is the hard part.

Out of the last 2 weeks, my only losing day was on Thursday when I was caught in some chop. The rest of the days I either broke even or made money. One day that I BE would have been a winning day if I followed my rules. You need to be patient to wait for an edge based setup. There are at least 1 - 3 per day.



Quote from mrnate22:

Day 5 Experiment

I am ready to quit trading.. I just can't handle my emotions.. I again took a mediocre setup and once again it failed.. but instead of being patient, I got extremely upset cause I'm so frustrated with my lack of discipline so I kept revenge trading and losing boat loads of money..

I spotted a great setup but even this stock only went up 30 cents before reversing.. I'm gonna give it one more week and if I don't improve, it will have to give it up.. I can't keep losing thousands of dollars cause of my stupid emotions..
 
I'm starting to think all that's needed to be a successful trader is to have enough money mgmt and discipline to not blow your account and stay in the game long enough to hit those occasional grand slams.

I traded pretty poorly this week - lost money Mon, Tue, Wed, Fri - yet still managed to make a decent profit this week due to one massive winning trade (long AAPL at the open on Thu).
 
Quote from NoDoji:

When you say "good at trading technically" I'm interpreting that as "good at recognizing price behavior that leads to profit A before hitting stop loss B more often than not and B is less than or equal to A". (If you don't have rules defining positive expectancy price behaviors/patterns, you have no basis for technical trading, and should expect the same long term results as a recreational casino gambler but without the free liquor.)

Now assuming you CAN read the market technically based on a well-researched plan with fixed rules, when you say "I don't have patience and discipline" I'm interpreting that as any or all of the following:

"I jump the gun and put on trades before a valid signal appears."

"I get bored, lose focus, miss a valid trade entry and either get in late or put on 'out-of-plan' trades" to try and get back what I missed."

"When a position shows an unrealized profit, I move my stop to break even to prevent the chance of a loss, or I take a small profit instead of holding for a full minimum profit necessary to maintain the edge provided by my plan."

If my interpretations are in line with your experiences, the solution is to trade in a simulated account until you're trading your plan according to the rules and producing results in line with the profits demonstrated during the research/testing phase of plan development.

The goals of the simulated trading experience are much like the goals of a student pilot's simulated flight experiences. You're learning to follow fixed rules until it becomes second nature to do so. You're learning to focus on what needs to be done right here and right now by adhering to a process that results in safe and timely arrival at a particular destination more often than not, rather than focusing on the destination and forgetting to follow the important steps that get you there.

The first positive sign you may be ready to trade live is when you're trading all valid setups that appear and managing them according to your plan, and have a profitable net result that's close to your test result.

The second sign that you may be ready to trade live is when you find yourself immediately placing your order when a valid setup signals; when you find that the mere placing of the initiating order according to your plan brings immense satisfaction.

The sign that you're finally ready to give it a go with real money is when "in plan" losing trades that were managed properly produce no more emotional response than paying your utility bills each month, and you find yourself patiently awaiting the next valid setup.

I assure you that 95% of aspiring traders are missing one or more of these important steps to success: research demonstrating an edge; written plan based on research; regular forward testing demonstrating results very similar to research/backtest results; ability to follow the plan comfortably and confidently in a real-time simulated environment.

If you're not able to then transfer this mindset to live trading, yet still want to trade, you should seek the help of a professional trading psychologist.
Great post Donna, but than I expect nothing less of you ...
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

If you look at the history of any of the greats, PTJ, Soros, etc, they ALL have one or more huge lucky win that pushed them into the legend category--- took huge risk, made huge profits-- enough that they could hire edge-- this lone wolf nonsense you hear on elite about single mad scientist / chart reading master types cracking the market individually from their basements is a bunch of hogwash. surf
yeah, and that's why you looked at my linkedin profile last week lol
 
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