Please ban Hapaboy.

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Perhaps ET should consider to set up an "Institutionised FoS" forum. :D
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Nah, institutionalize a few ET members would be more like it.
 
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Well, the whole thing is just hypocritical.

What is more offensive my friend? The word 'Fuck', or a post implying that a whole race/religion are a bunch of evil doers out to kill America? I can turn on my TV and hear the word 'Fuck' many times, but not once will I come across the sort of racist hate Hapaboy spews out day after day. If any TV station were to air his views, they would be taken off the air in a New York minute. So why should I have to endure it on ET?

If one were to duplicate his threads, but replace the word Muslim with Jew, there would be outrage. A good example of this is the thread entitled 'What does Israel Add to the Mix?'. The thread was closed by Joe after 2-3 pages. Hapaboy posts many similar threads about Muslims, and they are allowed to continue and offend for many pages for many weeks. A good example of this is Hapaboys thread 'Questions about Muslims'. If ANYONE was to start such a thread about Jews for example, Hapaboy would be the first to hit the complain button and the thread would be closed and the OP banned.

I can say this with fact as only today I received a PM from Joe (moderator) saying Hapaboy had complained at one of my posts (in reply), just because I told the truth and called him a racist F**k.

Therefore, the ball is not in my court as you think, but firmly in that of Joe and Baron, whom I feel have a responsibility to keep this site free of racism and hate mongering, rather than some fruit getting offended by the word 'Fuck'.

Least I remind everyone, the word 'fuck' is used extensively throughout these boards with little re-course to the poster, so I regret to say, your argument is a totally without foundation.


Why should you and I have to leave just becuse the moderators REFUSE to moderate with any conviction or fairness?


Ban Hapaboy. He is deeply offensive. Much more so than a few swear words.
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Oh, is that all you got?

I looked at hapaboy's posts in the thread you mentioned. I didn't see any hate speech. Maybe his statements were motivated by hatred for Muslims, but their content was not racist, as far as I could see. You seem to think that any criticism of Muslim culture is automatically a form of hate speech.

It seems to me that this entire thread was based on an erroneous accusation.

I don't think that these discussions have any place on a website supposedly devoted to trading. I still, however, don't think that censorship is the right approach to hate speech. I think that debate is the right approach. One of my complaints about ET is that opportunities for meaningful debate about racism, or other forms of hatred, or any subject in general, are extremely limited by the site's inadequate moderation and its festival of abusive behavour. I think censorship is needed, in an internet discussion, to protect individuals against demonstrably false accusations and other harassment. If this is lacking, then, for one example, "discussion" of racism will tend to promote racism, rather than to combat it.

This is in addition to my other complaint, which I have already mentioned in this thread, that it is wrong to present a website as devoted to discussion of trading by the trading elite, when really the trading elite barely participates at all, and the site's moderation policies protect and encourage confidence men working their scams, and frustrated losers exchanging false accusations and other forms of abuse. I am referring to the site's moderation as it is actually practiced in reality, not the unenforced rules listed in its terms of service. Perhaps the greatest harm done by the site, other than enabling frauds, comes when it encourages people to see abusive behavour and mob psychology as acceptable, and to believe that the internet is capable of little better.
 
So you think more active moderation is warranted.

Are you volunteering for that job?

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Oh, is that all you got?

I looked at hapaboy's posts in the thread you mentioned. I didn't see any hate speech. Maybe his statements were motivated by hatred for Muslims, but their content was not racist, as far as I could see. You seem to think that any criticism of Muslim culture is automatically a form of hate speech.

It seems to me that this entire thread was based on an erroneous accusation.

I don't think that these discussions have any place on a website supposedly devoted to trading. I still, however, don't think that censorship is the right approach to hate speech. I think that debate is the right approach. One of my complaints about ET is that opportunities for meaningful debate about racism, or other forms of hatred, or any subject in general, are extremely limited by the site's inadequate moderation and its festival of abusive behavior. I think censorship is needed, in an internet discussion, to protect individuals against demonstrably false accusations and other harassment. If this is lacking, then, for one example, "discussion" of racism will tend to promote racism, rather than to combat it.

This is in addition to my other complaint, which I have already mentioned in this thread, that it is wrong to present a website as devoted to discussion of trading by the trading elite, when really the trading elite barely participates at all, and the site's moderation policies protect and encourage confidence men working their scams, and frustrated losers exchanging false accusations and other forms of abuse. I am referring to the site's moderation as it is actually practiced in reality, not the unenforced rules listed in its terms of service. Perhaps the greatest harm done by the site, other than enabling frauds, comes when it encourages people to see abusive behavior and mob psychology as acceptable, and to believe that the internet is capable of little better.
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So you think more active moderation is warranted.

Are you volunteering for that job?
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Why don't you take it on, Z10? That way you could guarantee that you will never lose a debating point.
 
Since I don't lose any points now, why would I want to moderate?

p.s. I don't win any points either, only self appointed scorekeepers like you think there is a scoring system.

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Why don't you take it on, Z10? That way you could guarantee that you will never lose a debating point.
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Since I don't lose any points now, why would I want to moderate?

p.s. I don't win any points either, only self appointed score[points]keepers like you think there is a scoring [points] system.
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You seem to be bringing up the subject of points quite a bit, Z10. Of course you use your typical "statement of facts" to "win" your valuable points. For example, this ridiculous statement: "I don't win any points either." In your mind, you win them all, on Planet Z10.
 
Twas you, Mr. Scorekeeper who introduced the concept of winning (never lose a) "debating point."

"Why don't you take it on, Z10? That way you could guarantee that you will never lose a debating point."

Please don't drink and post...

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You seem to be bringing up the subject of points quite a bit, Z10. Of course you use your typical "statement of facts" to "win" your valuable points. For example, this ridiculous statement: "I don't win any points either." In your mind, you win them all, on Planet Z10.
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