PHOENIX TRADING's 2013 Prophet and Loss Journal

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from ofthomas:

lol... you sound pissed ... ... we are deviating now, but here are some more ideas...

if you own the home outright, get a HELOC on the house, find a tenant that you can rent it to which will generate enough income to pay for the carrying costs of the house, and use the HELOC funds (not all of them) to trade at a prop... shit hits the fan, you can draw necessary funds from IRA to cover the carrying costs on the house...

just some suggestions to think about... as to bright, have a call with Don and hash it out... nothing ventured, nothing gain... you lose nothing by being open mind and looking into it...

No way , I'm not putting my house at risk too.

I did take out some personal unsecured loans and paying that note is a significant financial burden but it's cheaper than withdrawing money from my IRA.

 

[Redneck]

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

1) I seriously don't get how you've determined that I have no edge and audaciously declaring such in bold.

I can only presume it's because I failed to mention in the meantime I developed a philosophy and strategy that not only is profitable but matches my belief systems about the markets and is congruent with my strongest personality traits*.


I'm pretty sure I have an edge and I'm willing to test that
hypothesis.

2) I can assure you I'm no fool.

3) I appreciate your warning but I think it's founded on a lack of information coupled with a tinge of ill will and hubris.

PT,

This post of yours contains a lot of warning signs – hopefully in time you’ll come to recognize them

btw; I state this matter of factly…, sans any ill will or hubris on my part - rest assured

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

* Myself I think success in trading has a lot to do with finding the method which fits your personality and beliefs.

This is absolutely true, however;

Said method must be applied consistently – repeatedly – regardless

While keeping losers sometime equal to / mostly smaller than – winners

Said method should utilize full advantage of both directions

And lastly…, humility.., and a commitment to the truth – are absolutes


Combine the above with your method (or any sensible method really) – yep it’ll be profitable

(btw saying this is easy…, doing it – well that’ll be as hard as you prefer to make it)

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Note on beliefs;

Beliefs can be created.., or dissolved – so why not create some totally in alignment with the mkt… and dissolve the ones that are not

Just think of the possibilities that would open up
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Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

Playing to your strengths is all important, otherwise you will be fighting yourself and your system.

This, is not so important….

The mkt, and trading – by their very nature – lays bare, then subjects us – to every single one of our weaknesses

So it imperative we improve upon our weaknesses…, or at a minimum – grow to accept them

For no matter how strong our strengths – our weaknesses – are exponentially stronger

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Truth is – the mkt neither punishes…, or rewards – it simply goes about its daily business

We are the ones who'll see fit to punish our self – or not - human nature being what it is



In trading – no one suffers a fool – more – than the fool him or her self (And yes I've been the fool on numerous occasions – and still am at times)

Something to ponder Sir – or not

RN

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from Redneck:

PT,

This post of yours contains a lot of warning signs – hopefully in time you’ll come to recognize them

btw; I state this matter of factly…, sans any ill will or hubris on my part - rest assured






This is absolutely true, however;

Said method must be applied consistently – repeatedly – regardless

While keeping losers sometime equal to / mostly smaller than – winners

Said method should utilize full advantage of both directions

And lastly…, humility.., and a commitment to the truth – are absolutes


Combine the above with your method (or any sensible method really) – yep it’ll be profitable

(btw saying this is easy…, doing it – well that’ll be as hard as you prefer to make it)

==========================

Note on beliefs;

Beliefs can be created.., or dissolved – so why not create some totally in alignment with the mkt… and dissolve the ones that are not

Just think of the possibilities that would open up
===========================




This, is not so important….

The mkt, and trading – by their very nature – lays bare, then subjects us – to every single one of our weaknesses

So it imperative we improve upon our weaknesses…, or at a minimum – grow to accept them

For no matter how strong our strengths – our weaknesses – are exponentially stronger

==========================

Truth is – the mkt neither punishes…, or rewards – it simply goes about its daily business

We are the ones who'll see fit to punish our self – or not - human nature being what it is



In trading – no one suffers a fool – more – than the fool him or her self (And yes I've been the fool on numerous occasions – and still am at times)

Something to ponder Sir – or not

RN

I'm not sure I really disagree with anything you have written.
When I was mentioning belief's I was talking about beliefs concerning the markek which is derived from observation and study.
Should that information change then I have no problem changing my belief if It appears relatively permanent.


As far as

"The mkt, and trading – by their very nature – lays bare, then subjects us – to every single one of our weaknesses

So it imperative we improve upon our weaknesses…,"

IMHO : That is handled best by picking the right trading niche that fits our personality, abilities and perception.
I assume you are referencing "lack of discipline",Honestly I think traders who have done an excellent job of picking the right niche have relatively little problems with keeping their discipline.
I suspect one always needs to keep the "hour Between Dog and Wolf" in mind.
Perhaps I'm wrong, time will tell.

http://www.economist.com/node/21555882

 

[ofthomas]

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

No way , I'm not putting my house at risk too.

I did take out some personal unsecured loans and paying that note is a significant financial burden but it's cheaper than withdrawing money from my IRA.

you are already putting it at risk... honestly... if you ever default on those unsecured loans, and they take you to court... they will sue you and the judgement will be awarded and will lien the house.. that simple... as I said before, keep in mind all I said were suggestions, just things you might not have thought about before, nothing more...

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from ofthomas:

you are already putting it at risk... honestly... if you ever default on those unsecured loans, and they take you to court... they will sue you and the judgement will be awarded and will lien the house.. that simple... as I said before, keep in mind all I said were suggestions, just things you might not have thought about before, nothing more...

I don't know what world you live in buddy but I can assure you that's not how it would play out.

They took's their chances and in return got a higher rate.
They don't get to pretend it's a secured loan.

It's irrelevant anyway because I'm going to repay them.

 

[ofthomas]

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

I don't know what world you live in buddy but I can assure you that's not how it would play out.

They took's their chances and in return got a higher rate.
They don't get to pretend it's a secured loan.

lol... I think you are being innocent about some things... as I said, they wont foreclose on the real estate... but you can in fact be sued and they will lien all assets and attach any bank accounts with the judgement... you should understand the law a bit better.. unsecured is not really as unsecured as people think... anyhow, moving on... this thread is about your trading efforts... we can debate via PM if needed...

 

[Busta21]

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

My focus is on the leveraged etf and etn space.

Sorry but I'm not big on posting trades and giving away my edge.

At this time I think the market is going up but I don't think this is an especially good time to enter.
I'm waiting for the top (perhaps I'll see an opportunity available to an IRA at that time).

I currently do not trade options and don't think they really offer a trader much in the way of benefits in real life trading. yeah sure the theory sounds good but I think developing a true edge in them is exceedingly difficult and rare.

You should be able to make $10,000 a month trading crude/russell/eminis a month for living expenses.

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from Busta21:

You should be able to make $10,000 a month trading crude/russell/eminis a month for living expenses.

24% eh?
Right because everyone knows beating all but the top 7 performing large hedge funds for the year is just nominal returns.

 

[Busta21]

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

24% eh?
Right because everyone knows beating all but the top 7 performing large hedge funds for the year is just nominal returns.

Bro, moving $1B + in capital around for 12 months is A LOT different than moving $500,000 around. Also, $10,000 a month on indexes/crude is nothing if you know what your doing, and judging by your snide response, you don't. I would recommend you take a trip to Chicago or hang around real traders. Also, you can pull $10K alone trading OPEX options.

Also, here is some math. 24% on $1B is $240 million

Your $500stacks is $120,000, big deal.

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from Busta21:

Bro, moving $1B + in capital around for 12 months is A LOT different than moving $500,000 around. Also, $10,000 a month on indexes/crude is nothing if you know what your doing, and judging by your snide response, you don't. I would recommend you take a trip to Chicago or hang around real traders. Also, you can pull $10K alone trading OPEX options.

Also, here is some math. 24% on $1B is $240 million

Your $500stacks is $120,000, big deal.

Fine you've determined I don't know what I'm doing, then grace me with your all knowing wisdom.

I bow down to the great trading master's feet in subservience and ask your forgiveness.