Everybody knows that when you leave Filipino prisoners up to their own devices, they become DANGEROUS!
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Everybody knows that when you leave Filipino prisoners up to their own devices, they become DANGEROUS!
Your comments contain so many errors and inaccuracies it is virtually impossible to hold a debate based on those misguided thoughts. I just wanted to point out facts and how twisted the situation in the Philippines is. It's basically demonstrating that even when you have someone in charge with a real desire to change things, still everything that can go wrong goes wrong.
By the way addicts in the Philippines are not showing they can make changes and choices on their own by turning themselves in. A fucking meth addict does not turn himself in. It is the sheer chaos and wild west where a man's life is currently worth the price of one bullet. You need to read up A LOT on this issue if you really want to debate Philippine politics or drug politics.
By the way addicts in the Philippines are not showing they can make changes and choices on their own by turning themselves in. A fucking meth addict does not turn himself in. It is the sheer chaos and wild west where a man's life is currently worth the price of one bullet. You need to read up A LOT on this issue if you really want to debate Philippine politics or drug politics.
Thank you for pointing out the aspects not well looked at regarding this situation.
* 900k addicts turning themselves in - never actually seen before in any country.
Who should be blamed for that? Should people be blamed for 900k existing addicts prefering to surrender and reveal their drug dealers and the corrupt officers and judges and lawyers who surround, and mostly profiteer from their drug use? Who should be blamed for the 4 million addicts? With 900k turning themselves
in less than 6 months, that shows there was a real number of drug addicts, who need real help.
Are you blaming blaming Their President Roberto Duerte for not building rehab centers and letting these
people into prisons ? Were the former President unaware of the drug problems, but happily using drug money for their campains to blame? Or is it Duerte aware of the drug problem, but not using drug money to blame?
Though the prisons there are awful conditions, why do these drug addicts who surrender and confess to the Police, still prefer to stay in jail as long as they feel they can't handle themselves in regards to drugs?
* You point out the US who did the same: did they really?
From my understanding, in the Philipines, they are also going after the drug Lords, including the richest one involved in drugs, the politicians involved in drugs, the top military and police officers involved in drugs, the lawyers involved in drugs, the judges involved in drugs. They are sparing nobody.
Apparently, US drug on war did not concern politicians involved in drugs, police officers in volved in drugs, judges involved in drugs
In European countries, politicians involved in drugs are not unknown. But in the USA, at least
you have courageous people putting it like it is:
( one question: would they bail out their once drug supplier if asked to? in other terms
are they opened to corruption ?)
Thailand would have been a similar case to compare to : they went on killing people at the street levels,
but here again, they did not touch the corruption that allows the drug activities to continue, nor obviously the
"elite" level involved in drugs.
* You are suggesting that people from the Philipines who deal drug do not have a choice.
Now, that 900K are turning themselves to the police there, how comes there are not more women and kids getting involved in drugs or drug related activities ?
I believe we have been fed a LOT of lies regarding drugs.
- One lie is a drug addict can not manage himself/herself without rehab.
The Philipines are demonstrating that drug addicts can stay off drugs if they so want,
but they need to want it hard enough. The motivation is THE factor. A drug addict does not
want to take drugs, and really really really want off it, he/she will. It is not a question
of rehab centers. I am not saying to close rehabd centers. I'd say open even more of them
to make it easier for those who wish to get off drugs, and also increase the numbers of
bouddhist method meditation retreats, that have showed effectiveness.
- Another lie is drug dealers are the bad guys : false. The corrupt police officers, the corrupt jdges, the corrupt military, the corrupt politicians are as well. Without their involvement in protecting and promoting it , drug activities won't take place.
* Now that the catholic Church being responsible for single mothers, or the fathers who walk out being responsible for single mothers is very questionable.
You can ask these single mothers, and those whose partners walk out, few questions:
- did you had any acts of "impudicity" ( large term used to cover everything in front, behind, via mouth, via touch) with the person you married before getting married ?
- did you have the 2-3 years "cooling" period ( the real Catho make exceptions for older couples), aka engagement and marriage training ( actually serious reflection period), before getting married ? Some priests even advise couples to not meet for at least one year, and fast track those separated for many years. Do they get it right, when no impudicity is involved, in not fast tracking those who never separated before marriage, and not delaying those who separated but want to join ?
- was there anybody in this world, who was not present during this marriage, but whose presence would have make the engaged people think hard before saying 'yes' ? ( that can be a former lover or love interest who go sidelined, etc)
Real catholic is a very serious matter : this is why the real one stay married with no coercion, threats, blame, menaces and psychological abuses and pressures to do so. They are actually VERY happy in it, and would not want it another way, nor with any another person.
They atually paid the price BEFOREHAND for a very healthy marriage. The other pay it after the wedding, with the normal consequences ( guy running away, etc).
Being a real catholic is a very difficult thing to do ( "no impudicity" means something) , and many so-called 'catholic' in practice are not. They don't understand the spiritual laws that are at stake. Not just psychological, nor mindset laws.
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By the way addicts in the Philippines are not showing they can make changes and choices on their own by turning themselves in. A fucking meth addict does not turn himself in. It is the sheer chaos and wild west where a man's life is currently worth the price of one bullet. You need to read up A LOT on this issue if you really want to debate Philippine politics or drug politics.
It is very difficult for you to accept something all of us could not imagine, because we were fed lies :
one being that even people addicted to methadone, can make life preserving decisions.
As soon as Duerte came to power, he asked drug related people to surrender to the police, these "fuck' meth addicts" turned themselves in by significant numbers!
Basically, Duerte is showing is by being ENABLERS for the drug addicts, we are not addressing the problem. Western politicians are in effect accomodating to drug addicts wishes and desires, aka to continue the addiction as long as they so wish.
http://www.allaboutlifechallenges.org/enablers-addictions-codependency-faq.htm
In the Philipines, they are not accomodating drug addicts, and drug addicts are actually adult that can make decions: including choosing to stay in jail that are now drug free, instead of staying out knowing they are too weak to resist drugs.
In the West, we are enabling addicts, in the Philipines, they are empowering addicts to make life preserving choices ( in their context that can mean choosing to surrender).
Enabling vs Empowering: that is the difference.
The Philipine President definitively understands something about Drug activities mentality:
as they raise serious bounty on his head, Duterte did the same and offered double, plus promotion.
One question: will the West offer to finance for rehab centers for the 900k people
who surrendered ? Or , as now we can all suspects, many of his critics were themselves
into drug related activities at one time and have an "drug addiction enabling" mentality, and their
priority is to save the drug activities?
as they raise serious bounty on his head, Duterte did the same and offered double, plus promotion.
One question: will the West offer to finance for rehab centers for the 900k people
who surrendered ? Or , as now we can all suspects, many of his critics were themselves
into drug related activities at one time and have an "drug addiction enabling" mentality, and their
priority is to save the drug activities?
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right, lol, well maybe you should first start to google "meth" because it is not an abbreviation for methadone but for methamphetamine. In the Philippines and number other Asian countries it is also called "shabu". And where do you take the right from to call my points lies when you do not even understand the underlying issue? And you can argue as much as you want about the right approaches to drug politics, the only thing that counts is RESULTS. Drug related crimes, the number of addicts, the number of drug related deaths ALL DECLINED in those European countries that decided to decriminalize addiction. How about the US? You are dealing with an epidemic in many New England and Midwestern States. Florida is full of "drug clinics" where licensed medical doctors and pharmacists prescribe and hand out highly addictive and toxic drugs to addicts and score a fortune. Tell us again which approach to fight drug addiction works and which not. Geez.
P.S.: And no, why should the West finance ANYTHING in the Philippines? Why should Western nations for that matter finance ANYTHING outside their countries? Why don't we all start dealing with our own problems and let others deal with theirs???
P.S.: And no, why should the West finance ANYTHING in the Philippines? Why should Western nations for that matter finance ANYTHING outside their countries? Why don't we all start dealing with our own problems and let others deal with theirs???
It is very difficult for you to accept something all of us could not imagine, because we were fed lies :
one being that even people addicted to methadone, can make life preserving decisions.
As soon as Duerte came to power, he asked drug related people to surrender to the police, these "fuck' meth addicts" turned themselves in by significant numbers!
Basically, Duerte is showing is by being ENABLERS for the drug addicts, we are not addressing the problem. Western politicians are in effect accomodating to drug addicts wishes and desires, aka to continue the addiction as long as they so wish.
http://www.allaboutlifechallenges.org/enablers-addictions-codependency-faq.htm
In the Philipines, they are not accomodating drug addicts, and drug addicts are actually adult that can make decions: including choosing to stay in jail that are now drug free, instead of staying out knowing they are too weak to resist drugs.
In the West, we are enabling addicts, in the Philipines, they are empowering addicts to make life preserving choices ( in their context that can mean choosing to surrender).
Enabling vs Empowering: that is the difference.
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right, lol, well maybe you should first start to google "meth" because it is not an abbreviation for methadone but for methamphetamine. In the Philippines and number other Asian countries it is also called "shabu". And where do you take the right from to call my points lies when you do not even understand the underlying issue? And you can argue as much as you want about the right approaches to drug politics, the only thing that counts is RESULTS. Drug related crimes, the number of addicts, the number of drug related deaths ALL DECLINED in those European countries that decided to decriminalize addiction. How about the US? You are dealing with an epidemic in many New England and Midwestern States. Florida is full of "drug clinics" where licensed medical doctors and pharmacists prescribe and hand out highly addictive and toxic drugs to addicts and score a fortune. Tell us again which approach to fight drug addiction works and which not. Geez.
P.S.: And no, why should the West finance ANYTHING in the Philippines? Why should Western nations for that matter finance ANYTHING outside their countries? Why don't we all start dealing with our own problems and let others deal with theirs???
I will note that decriminalizing users caught with small amounts usually only works when the government also harshly cracks down on distributors. This means that the government effectively must enter the market as the sole provider of narcotics in order to achieve the objective of reducing drug violence & crime while weaning the users away from their addiction.
I will note that the European countries that have some success with reducing the number addicts and crimes -- also took a more harsh approach to distributors at the same time.
The bottom line is that any success in improving the drug situation must involve a multi-focus approach, as well as a differentiation between users (addicts) and distributors (criminals).
The reality is that I don't think any country has arrived at a really good approach to addressing the overall problem yet.
google the drug policies in Portugal, its eye opening. And yes I agree, it does not mean that the supply chain should be ignored, however, when you see how it works in Portugal you dont really have to fight the supply networks as you had before. Example, legalizing cannabis removed the demand for any substitute synthetic drugs that often proved dangerous and unpredictable to users. Same with harder drugs.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...dly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...dly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html
I will note that decriminalizing users caught with small amounts usually only works when the government also harshly cracks down on distributors. This means that the government effectively must enter the market as the sole provider of narcotics in order to achieve the objective of reducing drug violence & crime while weaning the users away from their addiction.
I will note that the European countries that have some success with reducing the number addicts and crimes -- also took a more harsh approach to distributors at the same time.
The bottom line is that any success in improving the drug situation must involve a multi-focus approach, as well as a differentiation between users (addicts) and distributors (criminals).
The reality is that I don't think any country has arrived at a really good approach to addressing the overall problem yet.
google the drug policies in Portugal, its eye opening. And yes I agree, it does not mean that the supply chain should be ignored, however, when you see how it works in Portugal you dont really have to fight the supply networks as you had before. Example, legalizing cannabis removed the demand for any substitute synthetic drugs that often proved dangerous and unpredictable to users. Same with harder drugs.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...dly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html
Interesting article. I agree that the U.S. "War on Drugs" has been a failure. I believe a dual approach is needed in the U.S. to improve the situation including the decriminalization of some drugs with associated treatment. However the distribution side of the problem still must to battled using the police and legal system - with harsh penalties imposed on illegal suppliers.
http://wfad.se/latest-news/1-articles/365-britain-should-not-make-the-same-mistakes-as-portugal
http://drugprevent.org.uk/ppp/2011/01/the-“resounding-success”-of-portuguese-drug-policy/
is titled "the power of an attractive fallacy", regarding the "resounding success" of Portuguese drug policy.
This is why it is important to look to things from different points of views/
The netherlands went the same way as Portugal, then some policy people wanted to go back on the decriminalization policy and they can't as organized crime has penetrated too deep into all levels of the Netherland society, and this country is now the center of the drug trade/transit in Europe.
Now Duterte :
Obviously Duterte approach would not be possible for the USA: too many 'Elites' Americans are actually involved in drug-related 'activities'
http://drugprevent.org.uk/ppp/2011/01/the-“resounding-success”-of-portuguese-drug-policy/
is titled "the power of an attractive fallacy", regarding the "resounding success" of Portuguese drug policy.
This is why it is important to look to things from different points of views/
The netherlands went the same way as Portugal, then some policy people wanted to go back on the decriminalization policy and they can't as organized crime has penetrated too deep into all levels of the Netherland society, and this country is now the center of the drug trade/transit in Europe.
Now Duterte :
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http://drugprevent.org.uk/ppp/2011/01/the-“resounding-success”-of-portuguese-drug-policy/
is titled "the power of an attractive fallact". regarding the "resounding success" of Portuguese drug policy.
This is why it is important to look to things from different points of views.
Interesting counter perspective on the drug situation in Portugal.