Perniciousness of AIPAC

sameeh55 · Apr 7, 2010

Quote from phenomena:

You really don't need any propaganda to get people to hate groups which make unsolicited attacks on innocent civilians. Pals do that, Israelis do not. Propaganda is what you have to use when facts don't support your position. Israel has no need for propaganda, "palestine" does.

Hi phenomena.

When did you get hired? Or are you a reincernation?

Israel does not carry unsolicited attacks against civilians? Are you Suuuuuuuuuuuure? I mean, are you really, really sure?

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I mean, are you really sure?

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Regards,

Sameeh

sameeh55 · Apr 7, 2010

Quote from a_person:

LOL, it's ironic how all these self-proclaimed pro-Palestinian supporters come out of the closet one by one (Optional/Zzz, Tresor, now this clown) and reveal their true motivation - antisemitism.

Poor sameeh!!! Tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are.

I am proud of many friends a_person, including the ones who you worked so hard, and succeeded in booting them out of Elite trader.

sameeh55 · Apr 7, 2010

Quote from a_person:

Israel was founded by terrorist groups like Irgun that did whatever they could to force Arabs out.
Actually Israel was founded by the UN, no less, in other words by the will of the peoples. In this respect it has more legitimacy than any other state on the planet. And while I despise the UN I still would not go as far as calling it a terrorist group. Shame on you LOL

Rew is right a_person, Israel was founded at the hand of sadistic criminals who did not discriminate in their hate. It is funny that you talk about the well of the people, represented in the UN, while the state of Israel is a proud violator of just the following UN resolutions which you claim represent the "Well of the people":

Resolution 106: condemns Israel for Gaza raid.
Resolution 111: condemns Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people.
Resolution 127: recommends Israel suspend its no-man's zone' in Jerusalem.
Resolution 162: urges Israel to comply with UN decisions.
Resolution 171: determines flagrant violations by Israel in its attack on Syria.
Resolution 228: censures Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control.
Resolution 237: urges Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees.
Resolution 248: condemns Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan.
Resolution 250: calls on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem.
Resolution 251: deeply deplores Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250.
Resolution 252: declares invalid Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital.
Resolution 256: condemns Israeli raids on Jordan as flagrant violation.
Resolution 259: deplores Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation.
Resolution 262: condemns Israel for attack on Beirut airport.
Resolution 265: condemns Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan.
Resolution 267: censures Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem.
Resolution 270: condemns Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon.
Resolution 271: condemns Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem.
Resolution 279: demands withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.
Resolution 280: condemns Israeli's attacks against Lebanon.
Resolution 285: demands immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.
Resolution 298: deplores Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem.
Resolution 313: demands that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.
Resolution 316: condemns Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.
Resolution 317: deplores Israel's refusal to release.
Resolution 332: condemns Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon.
Resolution 337: condemns Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty.
Resolution 347: condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon.
Resolution 425: calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
Resolution 427: calls on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
Resolution 444: deplores Israel's lack of cooperation with UN Peacekeeping forces.
Resolution 446: determines that Israeli settlements are a serious obstruction to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
Resolution 450: calls on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.
Resolution 452: calls on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories.
Resolution 465: deplores Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist its settlements program.
Resolution 467: strongly deplores Israel's military intervention in Lebanon.
Resolution 468: calls on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return.
Resolution 469: strongly deplores Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians.
Resolution 471: expresses deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Resolution 476: reiterates that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are null and void.
Resolution 478: censures (Israel) in the strongest terms for its claim to Jerusalem in its Basic Law.
Resolution 484: declares it imperative that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors.
Resolution 487: strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility.
Resolution 497: decides that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights
is null and void and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith.
Resolution 498: calls on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.
Resolution 501: calls on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops.
Resolution 509: demands that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon.
Resolution 515: demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in.
Resolution 517: censures Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
Resolution 518: demands that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon.
Resolution 520: condemns Israel's attack into West Beirut.
Resolution 573: condemns Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters.
Resolution 587: takes note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw.
Resolution 592: strongly deplores the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops.
Resolution 605: strongly deplores Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians.
Resolution 607: calls on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Resolution 608: deeply regrets that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians.
Resolution 636: deeply regrets Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
Resolution 641: deplores Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
Resolution 672: condemns Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram Al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
Resolution 673: deplores Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations.
Resolution 681: deplores Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians.
Resolution 694: deplores Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
Resolution 726: strongly condemns Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
Resolution 799: strongly condemns Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

If we gave the Palestinians armored vehicles and attack helicopters like we do for the Israelis, they could fight the war properly and would not be "terrorists".
[/color=blue]Nobody gave Israel nothing to fight the war of independence in 1948 or the 6 day war in 1967. In both wars the arab armies had more planes, more tanks and more troops by far. Of course Israel is a flourishing modern democracy while its enemies are medieval totalitarian dictatorships. You can't expect these backward islamic theocracies to have the same military capabilities as a modern technologically advanced western state.[/color]

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sameeh55 · Apr 7, 2010

Exactly!

Key Facts

â¢Total direct aid to Israel, 1948-2003
$89.9 billion (uncorrected for inflation)

â¢Since 1976 Israel has been the largest annual recipient of US aid. It is the largest cumulative recipient since World War II.

â¢Direct U.S. aid for each Israeli citizen in 2001 (per capita annual income of Israel = $16,710) -- over $500

â¢Direct U.S. Aid for each Ethiopian citizen in 2001 (per capita annual income of Ethiopia = $100) -- about $.45

â¢REGULAR US GRANT AID in FY 2003
$2.76 billion military aid grant
$2.1 billion economic support funds
$600 million refugee resettlement grant

â¢COMMERCIAL LOAN GUARANTEES IN FY 2003
$2 billion

â¢BUSH ADMINISTRATION SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST FOR FY 2003
Military aid grant $1 billion
Commercial loan guarantees $9 billion
Arrow missile development $60 million

â¢TOTAL AID FOR FY 2003 $14.82 billion

â¢Percentage of U.S. foreign aid that goes to Israel -- 30%

â¢Israel's population as a percentage of world population -- .01%

â¢Section 116 of the Foreign Assistance Act (FAA) states, "No assistance may be provided under this part to the government of any country which engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights." 22 U.S.C. 2304(a)

â¢Section 4 of the Arms Export Control Act prohibits selling military equipment to countries that use them for non-self-defense purposes.

â¢The U.S. State Department determined in February 2001 that Israel has committed each of the acts that the law defines as "gross violations of internationally recognized human rights, including torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment, prolonged detention without charges and trial, causing the disappearance of persons by the abduction and clandestine detention of those persons, and other flagrant denials of the right to life, liberty, or the security of person." It described Israeli army use of live ammunition against Palestinians when soldiers were not in impending danger as "excessive use of force."
SOURCES: Clyde R. Mark, ?Israel: U.S. Foreign Assistance, Congressional Research Service, updated April 1, 2003; Clyde R. Mark, Middle East: U.S. Foreign Assistance, FY 2001, FY 2002, FY 2003 Congressional Research Service, March 28, 2002

http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/publish/article_17.shtml

Lots of innocent civilians (including children) got killed in the attacks on Gaza, that's what happens in war.
That's the price they pay for electing a fanatical militant terrorist organization that fires thousands of rockets at a neighboring state, that uses them as human shields, that builds rocket launchers in school yards, ammunition caches in apartment buildings' basements and uses ambulances to transport terrorists and weapons.

The price you pay for exercizing your democratic right is to lose your children! What is so funny is that, according to a_person, it is now OK for Palestinians to target Israeli civilians now that the Israeli people elected "Israel Bytouna", a party which calls for ethnically cleansing all of the Palestinians from their ancestors' land.

phenomena · Apr 7, 2010

Quote from Ricter:

I don't want them to kill jews so much as I want them to get their land back. To the degree that Israel resists, well... Hey, I'm American, I root for the underdog in a fight.

Hmmm. That's interesting. Because that contradicts what you said earlier. Before you said that you didn't give a shit about the pals, you just hated Israel, so pals should get money for rockets. You have gone from not have "any love for pals" to "wanting them to get their land back". Why would you care if they get their land back sooo if you don't give a shit about them? Were you aware they lost it in a preemptive war they waged 1-2 generations ago? But, it's very good that you don't want them to kill jews ''so much''.

Oh, you are American? Before you were Canadian, guess you changed your mind about that too....

The underdog, eh?

Hello · Apr 7, 2010

This coming from the queen of crying racism against anyone who doesnt like Obama.

You have to appreciate the irony of Rciter being accused of being an anti semite by someone who uses the same bullshit tools he does every day to discredit Obama detractors.

Quote from Ricter:

Same either/or thinking we hear everyday on this board. If you disagree with Israeli politics, you must be anti-jew and/or pro-arab.

Hello · Apr 7, 2010

Sure hope you dont forget this line ricter i know i wont, remember that you said this every time you try to cry about someone else saying something which is supposedly racist.

Quote from Ricter:

To borrow a line from Barfly... I don't hate jews, I just feel better when they're not around.

phenomena · Apr 7, 2010

Quote from Hello:

Sure hope you dont forget this line ricter i know i wont, remember that you said this every time you try to cry about someone else saying something which is supposedly racist.

It's the (usually) unspoken rule of marxists- racism is appauling and unacceptable UNLESS it's directed at Jews.

Ricter · Apr 8, 2010

Quote from phenomena:

It's the (usually) unspoken rule of marxists- racism is appauling and unacceptable UNLESS it's directed at Jews.

Pffft. cry more.

I got the quote from Barfly wrong, my bad:

Wanda: I hate the police, don't you?
Henry: I don't know, but I seem to feel better when they're not around.

Sadly, mere type misses Mickey Rourke's unique, lush accent.

Where did you get the idea that racism and Marxism are strongly correlated? And where did you get the idea that jews are a race? They're not, they are a religion.

OPTIONAL777 · Apr 8, 2010

The way I look at it, Jews are a people who practice Judaism. Doesn't matter what color they are, they are Jews by virtue of their actions...just like Catholics are not born Catholics, or Protestants are not born Protestants, Muslims are not born Muslims, etc.

Those who look to genetics as their identification do put race as their primary identification. People who say "I am a white, or black, or red, etc. are looking to their identity on the basis of the surface value of skin. If someone hates all blacks, they are a racist. If someone hates all Arabs, they are a racist.

Ask someone the question, "Who are you?"

See what their answer is, and you find how they self identify.

If the answer on the basis of something genetic that cannot be changed, their identity if racial. If their answer is something cultural from birth, i.e. American, French, Canadian (assuming they were born and raised in those cultures...not the product of immigration) they are identifying on the basis of cultural.

Now, if someone says "I am a republican" or "I am a democrat" then they are identifying on the basis of ideology.

If they say "I am a man" or "I am a woman" it is on the basis of gender.

The point is clear.

Now, is there a jewish culture? If someone says "I am a jew who does not practice Judaism or believe in Judaism" but do the ritual things as a societal norm of my culture what are they saying? They are saying they are of a particular ethnicity perhaps or culture...but not on the basis of a religious foundation.

What is the bottom line point?

You can't change your race or ethnicity. So racism or bigotry on the basis of ethnicity is the worst because you are hating someone for something they cannot change.

A person can change their ideology, so if someone says "I hate capitalists" or "I hate Marxists" they are at least hating on the basis of a belief system...that could change!

So if someone says "I love the good Jews, but hate the greedy slimy neocon jews" they are making a judgment on the basis of behavior or ideology, and that is not the same a being a racist, or even being prejudiced, as long as the object of their detest is arrived at on the basis of behavior and ideology.

Can someone be logical and say "I hate right wing extremist republicans, but love the moderate republicans?"

Of course...

Quote from Ricter:

Pffft. cry more.

I got the quote from Barfly wrong, my bad:

Wanda: I hate the police, don't you?
Henry: I don't know, but I seem to feel better when they're not around.

Sadly, mere type misses Mickey Rourke's unique, lush accent.

Where did you get the idea that racism and Marxism are strongly correlated? And where did you get the idea that jews are a race? They're not, they are a religion.