Perceptions of Islam in the Christendoms

Quote from gblnking:

More likely rape isn't reported in Iran because the women fear the stoning deaths of "honor killings" for shaming their male family members...barbarians.

Incest happens in every society, but the rates extremely low. Sure, it might go unreported but that isn't a lot different than it is in the West.

Rape rates are low because of the harsh punishments that are placed on it, not because women are blamed for the event. It's true that women aren't as easily believed as they are here in the West, where woman make up about 50% of all claims of rape and destroy carreers of often innocent people, but generally speaking there are no reasons for women not to report rape.

For your information, Iranian law prohibits honor killings.
 
Notice how my friend dddooo did not reply to my posts!
Notice how he did not reply to me exposing his lie that Muslims had a hand with the Rwanda genocide!
Notice how he did not reply to my post about his chief rabbi demanding the extermination of all Arabs.
Notice how he did not reply to the beating of a Jewish woman by ultra orthodox Jews for not moving to the back of the bus as she was instructed by men who thought it was religiously offensive to be at an equal footing with other men.

Instead, notice how this zionist chose to present a stupid cartoon as if it is a fact.

Ok dddooo! While you present cartoons, I will present facts to show how you raise your children buddy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I8i0-hb818
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qps-q0-R850
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0pmgQimoYw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBIcdoOKB9c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqvLtoWBpTU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJbGBdDNgn0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfoP7H2_6aM&mode=related&search=

Notice how on the third video, the kid with the Superman costume is proudly carrying a Khana Khai flag.

I really do not know who you gonna cry wolf to this time dddooo!
 
Quote from dddooo:

Hmm, I wonder why.



A photo from a Zionist site without any documentation does not prove anything, except the preposterousness of typical Judeosupremacist arguments. Palestine does not even have "soldiers", as it is an occupied nation.

You have yet to find a Zionist propaganda site half as well documented as is, for instance, palestineremembered.com.

Terrorism takes place because of foreign occupation, it has nothing to do with Islam. Show me one nation not involved in the "War on Terror", not meddling in Middle-Eastern affairs or occupying an Islamic country, that has been attacked by so-called terrorists. There are none, which proves my point beyond shadow of a doubt.

More information on Israeli indiscrimate killing of children:
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/children.html

You should try to tell such lies to people such as retired US special forces captain Joe Cortina, who completely changed his opinion about the conflict after he personally witnessed Israeli killing of children while being a guest of an Israeli general.

People should listen to his story, and perhaps they will recognize that they were wrong.


(Interview starts 14 minutes in the program, so one could start there)

http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Piper/07/05/Piper_050907_200000.MP3
 
Quote from WAEL012000:

Notice how he did not reply to my post about his chief rabbi demanding the extermination of all Arabs.
Notice how he did not reply to the beating of a Jewish woman by ultra orthodox Jews for not moving to the back of the bus as she was instructed by men who thought it was religiously offensive to be at an equal footing with other men.
This is disgusting and despicable and I have absolutely no problem acknowledging this. In fact I have no love lost with ultra-orthodox Judaism and dislike it almost as much as I dislike Islamic fundamentalism. Except of course that ultra-ortodox Jews don't blow themselves up in pizza parlors, shopping malls, train stations and subways.

And of course 99% of the world Jewry are disgusted and horrified by these incidents, they condemn them openly and vocally and they do want to root them out. That's a far cry from the tacit and explicit support the Muslim world gives to Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists, that's a far cry from running countries in accordance with medieval barbaric religous traditions, the way many islamic nations are run based on sharia law.
 
Quote from Nabuchodonosor:

Terrorism takes place because of foreign occupation, it has nothing to do with Islam.
How about two WTC attacks, how about the attacks on the US embassies in Africa, how about the attack on USS Cole and and many other terrorist attacks on american targets. If memory serves me this country had not occupied any middle eastern (or any other) nation prior to 2001, had it?
 
Quote from dddooo:

This is disgusting and despicable and I have absolutely no problem acknowledging this. In fact I have no love lost with ultra-orthodox Judaism and dislike it almost as much as I dislike Islamic fundamentalism. Except of course that ultra-ortodox Jews don't blow themselves up in pizza parlors, shopping malls, train stations and subways.

And of course 99% of the world Jewry are disgusted and horrified by these incidents, they condemn them openly and vocally and they do want to root them out. That's a far cry from the tacit and explicit support the Muslim world gives to Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists, that's a far cry from running countries in accordance with medieval barbaric religous traditions, the way many islamic nations are run based on sharia law.

One request to you oh soft hearted dddooo. If you are so opposing these settler kids then why don't you be a good man and demand that your government stop them. Why don't you demand that your soldiers stop them. Why don't you demand that your government pull them out. Why don't you demand prosecuting them dddooo. Why don't you demand that these people be taken back to your so called Israel rather than in and over our occupied land!

You know why dddooo? cause these children and their parents are no different than your state's founding fathers who were engaged in 55 massacres against my people, the wiping off of 450 cities towns and villages and the ethnic cleansing of my people. You know why dddooo? Because these people are implementing your plan of ethnic cleansing.


No dddooo! what is disgusting you is the fact that we were able to go in and show the whole world who you really are.

You still did not answer me how were the Muslims involved in the Rwanda massacre?
 
Quote from dddooo:

How about two WTC attacks, how about the attacks on the US embassies in Africa, how about the attack on USS Cole and and many other terrorist attacks on american targets. If memory serves me this country had not occupied any middle eastern (or any other) nation prior to 2001, had it?

What was the USS Cole doing in Yemen? The US government knew that the population of those countries are not supportive of US meddling in Middle-Eastern affairs. Saudi-Arabia is a dictatorial nation which the US supports and, more importantly, in which the United States had stationed thousands of troops to the dislike of 99% of their population and all foreign Islamist groups, particulary after the US attack on Iraq in the 90s enraged many Sunni muslims. Bin Laden himself stated that the presence of US troops in Saudi-Arabia was the most important reasons for his hatred of the United States.


If the US gets out of the Middle-East, gets rid of it's bases, stops using its power to fund dictatorial pro-Israel regimes, there is no more any serious reason for concern about "terrorists"attacks in the United States or Europe.

I think the following quote sums it up quite well:

...Has Chris Matthews somehow forgotten "Operation Desert Storm," AKA the War in the Persian Gulf, and that the U.S. military began building and occupying bases in the Saudi desert – "Operation Desert Shield" – in 1990 and started bombing Iraq from them in January 1991?

If he only read Time magazine, he would know that bin Laden, who had just finished fighting a successful, U.S.-backed holy war against the Russians, was enraged by the Saudi king's decision to allow American forces onto the Arabian Peninsula in 1990 – he wanted to expel Saddam from Kuwait. And if Matthews were to quickly peruse the Jim Leher Newshour Website, it would reveal bin Laden's "fatwa" of 1996, which is titled "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places." Pretty subtle, huh?

It is apparently necessary to remind those who give us the news that the bases in the Saudi desert were used to launch attacks on Iraq all through the 1990s. Indeed, in the "declaration of war," bin Laden cites the presence of foreign combat forces near Mecca and Medina and "blood spilled in Palestine and Iraq" as his casus belli.

The good thing is that we don't have to believe bin Laden about his motives at all. He is an evil mass murderer of innocent civilians. Why would anybody listen to him?

Why would anybody listen to him?

The only reason anyone listens to or follows bin Laden is because he points at specific foreign policies of the U.S. in order to maintain that he is the one fighting on the defensive. Michael Scheuer, the former head analyst at the CIA's bin Laden unit, and author of Imperial Hubris, told me this himself. He said that the Ayatollah Khomeini spent the 1980's railing against American culture and the entire region yawned. Osama bin Laden, on the other hand, kept his pitch straight and to the point – and it worked.

He told them that America was the aggressor, and sited 6 specific policies as evidence:

1: The bases in Saudi Arabia

2: Unquestioning support for Israel (The 1996 Fatwa came on the heels of the first Qana massacre in Lebanon)

3: The no-fly zone bombings and blockade of Iraq which killed hundreds of thousands of people (now replaced on the jihadist sales pitch list by the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan which have killed hundreds of thousands more)

4: Support for dictators across the Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, etc.)

5: Pressure on the oil producing states to keep their prices set where America wants them

6: Support for Russia, China and India in their wars against Muslims

This is why al-Qaeda is not just bin Laden and Zawahiri sitting around hating "the Jews" and American culture from their mother's basement. They have a following because they point at concrete examples of how the U.S. government makes life worse for the average guy in the Islamic World – when it's not taking it from him outright.

As Professor Robert A. Pape proved in his book Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism – by studying every single individual suicide bomber on Earth between 1980 and 2004 – the one characteristic that all suicide bombers have in common is the presence of foreign combat forces in their country – not Islam. Whether it's is Sikhs in India, the Communist and atheist Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, Hamas in Palestine, al-Qaeda fighters from Saudi Arabia and Egypt crashing planes in the United States or Sunni insurgents in Iraq.

None of the September 11th hijackers was from an "axis of evil" state (Iraq, Iran or Syria). They were all from countries whose governments are our government's "allies" – in truth, client dictatorships. Most of them were from Saudi Arabia.......
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/horton.php?articleid=10988
 
Quote from Nabuchodonosor:

What was the USS Cole doing in Yemen? The US government knew that the population of those countries are not supportive of US meddling in Middle-Eastern affairs. Saudi-Arabia is a dictatorial nation which the US supports and, more importantly, in which the United States had stationed thousands of troops to the dislike of 99% of their population and all foreign Islamist groups,
Let me explain to you something really simple, the USS Cole was in Yemen legally, our troops were in Saudi-Arabia legally, what you call "meddling" in Middle-Eastern affairs is also known as legitimate foreign policy. The US was working with legitimate and universally recognized governments of Yemen, Saudi Arabia and other ME countries. Granted many in the Middle-East did not like US policies and actions, those policies and actions with a few exceptions were in full compliance with international laws and UN resolutions.

I sincerely hate and despise foreign policies of many countries, I am sure a lot of europeans hate and despised foreign policies of Russia, the US and many other countries, I know for a fact that most South Americans hate american policies in South America. But they are legal and legitimate policies (again with a few exceptions) and it does not even occur to me, or to the Europeans or to South Americans to attack innocent civilians of those countries which policies I disapprove. Arabs and Muslims see it differently though, if they don't like the policies of a nation they feel justified and entitled to blow innocent civilians residing in those countries to pieces.
 
Quote from WAEL012000:

If you are so opposing these settler kids
What settler kids? I thought I made myself quite clear, I was opposed to the call to exterminate all arabs and to the lousy treatement of women by some ultra-ortodox jews. Reading comprehension problems Wael? That happens a lot to those who can't control their emotions and are in a permanent state of frenzy and hysteria. Take my friendly advice, come down.

And frankly I am not interested in discussing bad apples among Israelies or Jews, I know there are just as many of them as there are bad apples in any other nation or race. The issue here is official, medieval, violent policies and views of Islam and many Islamic governments and their complete unwillingness to deal with Islamic militants, terrorists and fundamentalists.
 
Quote from dddooo:

Let me explain to you something really simple, the USS Cole was in Yemen legally, our troops were in Saudi-Arabia legally, what you call "meddling" in Middle-Eastern affairs is also known as legitimate foreign policy. The US was working with legitimate and universally recognized governments of Yemen, Saudi Arabia and other ME countries. Granted many in the Middle-East did not like US policies and actions, those policies and actions with a few exceptions were in full compliance with international laws and UN resolutions.


It doesn't matter if Bin Laden's, who you guys like to hold responsible for 911, anger was justified or not, or whether US Foreign Policy is legitimate. What does matter are his motives, and his self-confessed motives were primarily the US presence in S.A, the US invasion of Iraq.

So it was US foreign policy that served as a motive for and caused the 911 attacks and other "terrorist" attacks, not Islam's supposed hatred for western freedoms, which your ilk like to insinuate.
 
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