People with degrees making 13 bucks an hour

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Why doesn't America produce more engineers and scientists? Because American engineers and scientists have been severely underpaid and under-appreciated for decades.
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america doesn't produce more because it's difficult to become an engineer or scientist. not everyone is cut out to be one. as for being underpaid, haha i don't think so. i used to be an engineer and made 150k + benefits (ie, close to 200k total) with only a bachelor's and 10 yrs industry experience. that was the typical salary for my experience level at my company; plenty of people made more.

engineers are not underpaid, at least not the ones in high tech. perhaps you're referring to civil engineers.
 
the reason people with degrees are making jack schitt is because the value of a 4-year diploma has become too diluted.

in the 1950's, only a small portion of the US population graduated from a university. it is much higher now. that means more people with fluff degrees like art and psychology. seriously, how much do you expect someone to earn with a degree in art history? $13/hr, exactly.
 
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An h1b worker costs more than a us worker: you have to pay the prevailing wage and comply with a bunch of requirements, pay legal fees and etc. The law makes it very difficult to hire a foreigner. They get hired not because they are cheap. Also, no one will hire an h1b worker for an entry level position. It's too expensive. If you want to know the true reason why there are not enough US born scientists/engineers just look at the math, physics and chemistry textbooks for high school and undegrad university courses. It's such a basic stuff that even those who take more than a required number of math/science classes in school are not prepared well enough to take real university level science classes. Also, the majority of university students can't decide what their major will be until their 3rd or 4th year in school. Until then they just take classes they like (the ones that are fun ). Then, when they eventually realize they've been goofing off for quite awhile and can't take anymore loans and it's time to graduate they take 5-6 classes and get a diploma. Consequently the majority is not sufficiently prepared for even an entry level job in their field. Becoming an engineer, biologist, chemist and etc. is not fun, it actually sucks. The youth likes to have fun.
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They say a picture is worth a thousand words!


India today:
http://www.homeless-international.org/client_images/doc_images/DSC06836_corrr.jpg

America 100 years ago:
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/SPEC/024.jpg


So now we are short of smart people and need the help of these H1Bs to get things done around here??? :D
 
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If H-1Bs would simply start demanding real salaries, it may alleviate the problem. Instead, they gladly bend over and grab their ankles as American corporations continue to rape them.
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until their ankles is broken...
 
Quote from mahram:

Come on you have to admit americans are becoming more backwards towards science as the years progress. More americans belieave in magical creation, then evolution. americans are more then a decade behind in stemcell technology.
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look at the history of Nautilus... it's crazy...

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus"

You know evolution is only a theory... There isn't the magic word in creation...

Do you have an idea who is paying this research in stemcell ?
 
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They say a picture is worth a thousand words!


India today:
http://www.homeless-international.org/client_images/doc_images/DSC06836_corrr.jpg

America 100 years ago:
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/SPEC/024.jpg


So now we are short of smart people and need the help of these H1Bs to get things done around here??? :D
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Your post is a great illustration why this country had to import highly-qualified workers, professors and scientists from abroad to do remain competitive... All the brilliant people like you are too busy making millions by day-trading ES.
 
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I have to say one thing how many americans are in masters degrees in sciences in your colleges. Less then half, now. if your country really wants to succeed they have to want it. You keep blaming other people for your problems. You keep saying you want a better future. However you keep electing conservatives who dont belieave in science. Dont belieave in stem cell technologies, evolution, chemical sciences, physics, or even history. havent you learn from history, china was the most advanced country in the world and expanding their influence accross the world. People all over the world was coming to china. Till they got cocky, didnt belieave in science, thought they were advanced enought, and the enouchs *conservatives* of the time decided to ban all technological and exploration in their country. In china and india people want tobe doctors, engineers,and yes businessman. In the united states they want tobe actors and sports stars. If you guys want to succeed and dont want tobe another foot note in history like the roman empire, british empire, chinese empire of the past, belieave in science, and stop electing conservatives. It all went down hill when you guys got cocky.
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Where are you from?

What % of your native country's population has master's degrees? Bachelor's degrees? Where is your county in relation to stem cell research? Where is your proof that America is 10 years behind? How many nobel prizes did your country win? where is your country in in relation to median salary, etc. etc. etc.

How many Americans go to your country for jobs or seeking citizenship as opposed to coming from your country to America for jobs or citizenship?

What is your GDP compared to the GDP of the U.S.?

Do you really want to compare the overall understanding of the US of science and math of the WHOLE population compared to your native country? Your country's people have no religious beliefs or superstitions?

And a whole lot more questions like this... And sorry, we will not limit these questions just to your college-educated people, low % that might be, but EVERYONE... :D
 
I don't think you can put too much into college grads taking lower paying jobs.
Back in the 90's when the oil field crashed again a friend of mine an engineer got laid off. He worked for me for a while for 8 or 10 bucks an hour, can't remember exactly, he did what ever it took to stay alive and pay his bills until the market came back for his services, which it did. He's been making over 6 figures for years now and ready to reitre. There is nothing wrong with working below your qualifications if that is what it takes to make, that is what survivors do, I've sure have in the past and would again if I had too.
 
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Your post is a great illustration why this country had to import highly-qualified workers, professors and scientists from abroad to do remain competitive... All the brilliant people like you are too busy making millions by day-trading ES.
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