People who think you should be able to own guns...

[Ricter]

Quote from gwb-trading:

Please provide a link to Obama saying the exact opposite.

[CITATION NEEDED]

I just gave it to you: I said it.

But if you want proof, that conversation, like the one John R. Lott Jr. had with Obama, was not recorded.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from Spike Trader:

is that it . . . is that your argument ? ?

According to two of your fellow liberals recently. You should be smart enough to figure it out on your own.

 

[gwb-trading]

Quote from Ricter:

I just gave it to you: I said it.

But if you want proof, that conversation, like the one John R. Lott Jr. had with Obama, was not recorded.

If you claim something is true (and the exact opposite of everyone else's perspective) then you at least need to dig up ONE media source showing your assertion has any validation.

Can't do it... I thought so.

Obama is not pro-gun.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from gwb-trading:

If you claim something is true (and the exact opposite of everyone else's perspective) then you at least need to dig up ONE media source showing your assertion has any validation.

Can't do it... I thought so.

Obama is not pro-gun.

Tell it to Lott.

Anyway, Obama is not pro-gun, but neither is he anti-gun. He is pro-gun control. As are most of us.

 

[murray t turtle]

Quote from drcha:

Isn't owning guns outdated? The idea of the founding fathers was that a citizenry who can own guns cannot be gunned down by a government. But witness Waco (among other things). The government already has us outgunned.

Please argue with me: I realize there are other points of view and I am still thinking about this issue and have come to few conclusions. I welcome your post if you can state your argument coherently, politely, and unemotionally.

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I agree, partly,Dr Cha;
popcorn, let the show begin

NO ,,owning guns is NOT outdated, but a word to the wise.If you are ever in Waco TX+ your home is surrounded by ATF, FBI, TX Troopers[Guard], you may simply want to surrender.

You may especially want to surrender if your leader says he gets 140 wives, + by the way, what happened to the grenade casing that were ordered,via UPS... + illegal machine gun parts????

PS. More words to the wise; do not fire on TX troopers[Guard ] helicopters, even the best law officers frown on that sort of thing Sources include wikipedia/discretion....

Also, think again, before you include ''us'' in same paragraph as people who fire on helicopters, in Waco TX

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from Ricter:

Tell it to Lott.

Anyway, Obama is not pro-gun, but neither is he anti-gun. He is pro-gun control. As are most of us.

Most of the pro gun control types are anti-gun.
They just don't often admit it.

 

[stoic]

Quote from drcha:

More accidental and mental-illness-induced killings of innocent people occur than episodes of legitimate defense.

NOT TRUE !!!

 

[drcha]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

If the citizenry decided as a whole to stand up against government, they would and could. Without an armed citizenry, that would be impossible.

I've been thinking about that too, but am not convinced that it is true. Do you think even 300 million of us with our little handheld weapons are a match for the US military? No, they can dispense with us all. Maybe the poster above has the best idea: the ballot box.

 

[LEAPup]

Quote from drcha:

I've been thinking about that too, but am not convinced that it is true. Do you think even 300 million of us with our little handheld weapons are a match for the US military? No, they can dispense with us all. Maybe the poster above has the best idea: the ballot box.

300,000,000 armed people in a revolt would DECIMATE this tyrannical government! Where were you when Egypt went into revolt? The government wiped out the first few waves of people, then the government's will broke, and the rest is now history.

300M armed citizens revolting against this broken, COMPLETELY out of control government is a pipe dream, and won't happen imo. However, a simple 1% of that number could wreak so much havoc on this government that yes, the people would ultimately win after the government rolled over and gave up like it's done since the late 1950's.

 

[drcha]

Quote from Scataphagos:

Seems the Libtards have never heard the famous quote....

"When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

The genius Founders gave us a "small Federal government with limited powers". If we still had that, there would be no need to fear the Feds. However, with the USA going the way of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union before its collapse... we should ALL be arming ourselves.

Many of my friends are extreme liberals. They do not fear the government. Conversely, they believe the government is there to take care of them. To me, that seems a strange point of view given the history of the actions of our federal government, but people do cling these ideas. However incredulous, the belief that someone Up There is watching out for your interests is seductive and comforting to many people. This mindset is something the pro-gun lobby will need to consider. This argument is not just about guns/no guns. It concerns core perceptions of the world that do not change easily, because people believe what they want to believe. How would you change that?

Let's continue this thought-provoking conversation.