Pelosi Impeachment Inquiry

elderado said:
REEEEEE!!!!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/co...ey-said-in-2017-posts-calling-for-impeachment
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UsualName said:
Well then feel the joy because it’s happening. Whether it happens the way you think is something else entirely.
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Also, the length of the actual senate trial versus how long the entire impeachment circus goes on are actually two difference discussions.

Some people may argue that the trial itself will actually end out being very short, and they may be right. Except it may not feel that way if it does not begin until January or February. It will seem like we have been at this forever. And keep in mind that some of the congressional reps said they could only support impeachment if it was over by the end of October......oops.

I am more concerned with overall time spent on the impeachment process from front to resolution, and I think the dems and pubs are concerned with that too. Versus actual Senate trial time, although Senate trial along with other phases is an area which can be long or short.

You know before the Clinton trial, for example, the Senate had to meet to agree on rules of engagement for the trial. That happened, and they voted 100-0 to adopt the outcome of their agreement- calling of witnesses, evidence etc. I wonder what 100-0 translates into in todays partisan environment. And both of my senators were republican and both voted to acquit Clinton. Man, those days are over. So add some time to work the pre-trial rules out too.
 
UsualName said:
This thread is a total mess.
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Yeah, have to ignore Hotcakes, he has to leave the house to make some money eventually. :)

This Trump asking for public statements thing is just weird. Once he is gone I wonder how much legislation will have to be passed limiting the presidency in the future. As an ex-president he won't stop, maybe the tradition of ex-presidents being fairly silent will have to become a lifetime gag.
 
I was just advising my brother-in-law who is visiting a distant cousin of his in Malta for New years to be mindful the place is a "Mafiocracy" so be mindful of conversations about his trading (he is just beginning). It was crossing my mind how much Bone Spurs' defence has the characteristics of Mafia and googleing Malta, Trump was high in the ranking..

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-impeachment-inquiry-mafia-comparisons-ukraine-russia-2019-10

Trump's approach to the impeachment inquiry bears a striking resemblance to how the mafia operates
  • President Donald Trump's approach to an ongoing impeachment inquiry and the whistleblower complaint that launched it bear several striking parallels to how the mafia operates.
  • Among other things, Trump accused the whistleblower of espionage, said the congressman investigating him should be tried for treason, accused lawmakers of attempting a coup, slammed witnesses who testify against him as rats, and said prosecutors probing him are corrupt.
  • A former federal prosecutor who was part of the team that convicted the Gambino crime family boss John Gotti told Insider: Gotti's "lawyers accused the prosecutors and the FBI of wrongdoing. They attacked witnesses. They attacked us."
  • "They got protesters to march in front of the courthouse. They went on TV and smeared us with ad hominem attacks," he added. "They planted stories in the press. They did everything Trump is doing, but he's doing it on a much larger scale."
  • Federal prosecutors who investigated Trump's campaign for conspiring with Russia during the 2016 race also treated the case like they would an organized-crime syndicate.

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Trump takes a page out of the mafia's playbook but 'on a much larger scale'
In the Gotti case, Cotter added, the similarities are even more stark.

"His lawyers accused the prosecutors and the FBI of wrongdoing. They attacked witnesses. They attacked us," he said. "They got protesters to march in front of the courthouse. They went on TV and smeared us with ad hominem attacks. They planted stories in the press. They did everything Trump is doing, but he's doing it on a much larger scale."

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'You don't fight on the other guy's ground, you define what the debate is going to be about'

Roy Cohn (L) and Donald Trump attend the Trump Tower opening in October 1983 at The Trump Tower in New York City.
Sonia Moskowitz/Getty Images
This isn't the first time Trump's actions have prompted comparisons to mob tactics. Indeed, one of his longtime confidants was none other than Roy Cohn, the notorious fixer that Sen. Joseph McCarthy hired as his chief congressional counsel while trying to root out communists in the 1950s.

'It's not about anything else except the boss'

Trump's mafia-style tactics haven't gone unnoticed by those around him.

Michael Cohen, Trump's longtime former lawyer, testified to Congress in February that the president runs his operation "much like a mobster would do."

Former FBI director James Comey has frequently compared the president to a mob boss and said that when he first met Trump, he couldn't shake the feeling that he felt he was dealing with the Cosa Nostra.

"It's not about anything else except the boss," Comey said while giving a talk at the 92Y in New York City last year. "It's a fear-based leadership."

FBI investigators who examined whether the Trump campaign conspired with Russia during the 2016 election also treated the case like they would an organized-crime syndicate, particularly through the use of cooperating witnesses.

"The higher you go, the more insulated those people are," Elie Honig, a former federal prosecutor from the Southern District of New York who successfully prosecuted more than 100 members and associates of the Sicilian Mafia, told Insider last year. "So the best way to penetrate that closed inner circle is by flipping people, and flipping them up."
 
Schiff clearly is attempting to incite violence, trying to intimidate his own witness, and is extremely unAmerican.

I wonder is Schiff decided that the whistleblower wasn't doing good enough of a job so he was like fuck him I am going to out him.
 
Bugenhagen said:
I was just advising my brother-in-law who is visiting a distant cousin of his in Malta for New years to be mindful the place is a "Mafiocracy" so be mindful of conversations about his trading (he is just beginning). It was crossing my mind how much Bone Spurs' defence has the characteristics of Mafia and googleing Malta, Trump was high in the ranking..

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-impeachment-inquiry-mafia-comparisons-ukraine-russia-2019-10

Trump's approach to the impeachment inquiry bears a striking resemblance to how the mafia operates
  • President Donald Trump's approach to an ongoing impeachment inquiry and the whistleblower complaint that launched it bear several striking parallels to how the mafia operates.
  • Among other things, Trump accused the whistleblower of espionage, said the congressman investigating him should be tried for treason, accused lawmakers of attempting a coup, slammed witnesses who testify against him as rats, and said prosecutors probing him are corrupt.
  • A former federal prosecutor who was part of the team that convicted the Gambino crime family boss John Gotti told Insider: Gotti's "lawyers accused the prosecutors and the FBI of wrongdoing. They attacked witnesses. They attacked us."
  • "They got protesters to march in front of the courthouse. They went on TV and smeared us with ad hominem attacks," he added. "They planted stories in the press. They did everything Trump is doing, but he's doing it on a much larger scale."
  • Federal prosecutors who investigated Trump's campaign for conspiring with Russia during the 2016 race also treated the case like they would an organized-crime syndicate.

Continues..

Trump takes a page out of the mafia's playbook but 'on a much larger scale'
In the Gotti case, Cotter added, the similarities are even more stark.

"His lawyers accused the prosecutors and the FBI of wrongdoing. They attacked witnesses. They attacked us," he said. "They got protesters to march in front of the courthouse. They went on TV and smeared us with ad hominem attacks. They planted stories in the press. They did everything Trump is doing, but he's doing it on a much larger scale."

More..

'You don't fight on the other guy's ground, you define what the debate is going to be about'

Roy Cohn (L) and Donald Trump attend the Trump Tower opening in October 1983 at The Trump Tower in New York City.
Sonia Moskowitz/Getty Images
This isn't the first time Trump's actions have prompted comparisons to mob tactics. Indeed, one of his longtime confidants was none other than Roy Cohn, the notorious fixer that Sen. Joseph McCarthy hired as his chief congressional counsel while trying to root out communists in the 1950s.

'It's not about anything else except the boss'

Trump's mafia-style tactics haven't gone unnoticed by those around him.

Michael Cohen, Trump's longtime former lawyer, testified to Congress in February that the president runs his operation "much like a mobster would do."

Former FBI director James Comey has frequently compared the president to a mob boss and said that when he first met Trump, he couldn't shake the feeling that he felt he was dealing with the Cosa Nostra.

"It's not about anything else except the boss," Comey said while giving a talk at the 92Y in New York City last year. "It's a fear-based leadership."

FBI investigators who examined whether the Trump campaign conspired with Russia during the 2016 election also treated the case like they would an organized-crime syndicate, particularly through the use of cooperating witnesses.

"The higher you go, the more insulated those people are," Elie Honig, a former federal prosecutor from the Southern District of New York who successfully prosecuted more than 100 members and associates of the Sicilian Mafia, told Insider last year. "So the best way to penetrate that closed inner circle is by flipping people, and flipping them up."
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It's not like he even tries to hide it. He revels in it. I'm surprised he doesn't wear a fedora, wide pin stripes and a Tommy gun.
 
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