Paul Krugman economics: Deny, deny, deny!

nutmeg · Mar 10, 2013

It's like AmEx gave you an unlimited credit line on your card and said not to worry about ever paying it off.
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If your credit line was based on income and assets, the US could borow quite a large sum.

If you borrowed money from Visa and MC to make min payments on Amex..so on and so forh...you could keep up the charade for years.

The only thing stopping you is a margin call, who is going to do that? The closest we had to a margin call is a SnP downgrade.

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The US economy is probably one big Repo Zirp.

piezoe · Mar 10, 2013

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QE is a means of providing money to the Treasury to cover deficits without putting upward pressure on interest rates.

I realize now that I greatly oversimplified. I should have said, "QE is, among other things, an indirect means of...

"Repo Zirp" ?!?

kashirin · Mar 10, 2013

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QE is a means of providing money to the Treasury to cover deficits without putting upward pressure on interest rates.

the question is how is that right?

there must be some pressure to make spending effective. without any pressure spending is just wasteful and doesn't provide any long term benefits

we're 5 years into the crisis. and somehow they still need ZIRP. Very soon business cycle will move into contraction phase. What will be their options then? 3 trillion deficit?

Under current economic model prolonged government intervention will not resolve anything

PHOENIX TRADING · Mar 10, 2013

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I think you may find the answer you seek by answering this simple question: "Can you create money out of thin air and loan it to yourself to cover overdrafts?"

1)Sure I can it's called counterfeiting, now please explain why this is highly illegal and vigorously prosecuted by our govt?

2) Next please explain the difference to the recipients of my counterfeit dollars as opposed to recipients of newly minted federal reserve notes.(assuming of course my counterfeit notes are indistinguishable from the feds)?

thanks in advance , I highly appreciate your stooping to educate a simpleton like myself on such matters of high finance.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=260504&perpage=6&pagenumber=20

I still don't get why you are running away from my 2 simple follow up questions.

Are they really that hard to answer or is it that an honest answer is INCONVENIENT and makes to your lil theory sound silly?

denner · Mar 10, 2013

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I still don't get why you are running away from my 2 simple follow up questions.

Are they really that hard to answer or is it that an honest answer is INCONVENIENT and makes to your lil theory sound silly?

It's called "pulling a ricter".

Tsing Tao · Mar 10, 2013

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QE is a means of providing money to the Treasury to cover deficits without putting upward pressure on interest rates.

QE's primary purpose was to bailout banks, although you'd never hear the Fed admit to this. But it is a free bailout nonetheless. All you liberals who pretend to love the common man, hate corporate cronyism and support movements like Occupy Wallstreet should be screaming your outrage. Instead, because it happens under the Obama administration, you overlook it.

You're fools, plain and simple.

PHOENIX TRADING · Mar 10, 2013

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QE's primary purpose was to bailout banks, although you'd never hear the Fed admit to this. But it is a free bailout nonetheless. All you liberals who pretend to love the common man, hate corporate cronyism and support movements like Occupy Wallstreet should be screaming your outrage. Instead, because it happens under the Obama administration, you overlook it.

You're fools, plain and simple.

Earning interest on free money, who wouldn't like that?

Lucrum · Mar 10, 2013

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Earning interest on free money, who wouldn't like that?

Where do I sign up?

PHOENIX TRADING · Mar 10, 2013

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Where do I sign up?

I think whomever is the new putz over at treasury now.

Tsing Tao · Mar 11, 2013

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Earning interest on free money, who wouldn't like that?

Precisely. The Fed allows infinite borrowing at .015% (and that is the high side) and the primary dealers can turn around and use that infinite money to go out and buy treasuries yielding 2.5%.

Bailout, pure and simple. And this is supposed to help the economy.