Pat Tillman and Mohammad Atta: Ethical Equals?

[I Missed Boat]

Quote from spect8or:

Lol. You sound like someone that just woke up to the fact that proving moral positions is a nigh on impossible task. Well, umm, duh!.

And this from someone that not so long ago was arguing for moral absolutes. Dude, for someone so long-winded, you sure don't seem terribly well informed about that which you discuss.


And your desire for "absolute consistency of foreign policy" is about as a perfect example of left-wing liberal thinking as you can find; their major grievance, as always, is that something, be it socio-economic equality, gender issues, foreign policy, isn't absolutely perfect, and would the real world kindly step aside thank you.

yup.

 

[axeman]

ART is incapable of answering such questions.

He will just dodge it AGAIN with some excuse.
Once again.... this is just an ART SERMON, not a discussion.
Its HILARIOUS that he actually CHANGES peoples hypothetical
situations and THEN answers.

Dont you understand what the purpose of a hypothetical is ART?

peace

axeman

Quote from ElCubano:

You are missing the point ART you have no choice....you either kill him or he kills you or perhaps even worse he kills your wife or son.....tell us now what u would do???

 

[I Missed Boat]

Quote from ARogueTrader:

You want to know which school morally equates killing civilians and legitimate military targets?

The school of the end justifies the means of course.

Come again?

Quote from ARogueTrader:


Regarding 911, along with the rest of the world I tended to support the initial actions in Afghanistan with some reservations of course (too bad they didn't finish the job, but they need the troops for Saddam....), but at least in that strike there was world wide agreement and also as there was a much clearer cause and effect argument.

As far as Tillman goes, he had his own agenda. Neither you, nor I will even know what his real reasons were.

He is considered a hero in this country, in other countries they consider their patriots heroes too.

If by patriots you mean those who defend themselves without seeking to kill all men, women and children (ie civilians) that they possibly can in order to sow terror and try to create a pan-fanatical religious and oppressive state, which ultimately will kill all non-believers. Remember that the Taliban began forcing Hindus, among others, to wear badges to identify themselves. Sound familiar? Remember too that they outlawed conversions and sentenced to death not only those who spread a different religious message, but also those who they assumed may have dared to convert. I hope these are not the people you are calling "patriots."

 

[I Missed Boat]

Quote from ARogueTrader:

I do argue for moral absolutes.

Start with this one:

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Well already we have a moral absolute that is far, far, far closer to our principles and standards than to those of the terrorists. Where is the consistency??

 

[axeman]

HEY!!! Lookie there! Problem solved!!

The terrorists want to exterminate US.
So we are doing unto them as they wish to do unto us

Seeeeee... Art CAN be consistent! lmaooo

peace

axeman



"Quote from ARogueTrader:
I do argue for moral absolutes.
Start with this one:
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. "

Quote from I Missed Boat:

Well already we have a moral absolute that is far, far, far closer to our principles and standards than to those of the terrorists. Where is the consistency??

 

[ARogueTrader]

What would I do?

Don't know. I never know with hypothetical. I don't have programmed responses to all potential hypothetical, do you?

The instinct for survival would likely kick in, but it is man's evolution that elevates him over the purely instinctual behavior of animals.

Again, it is a hypothetical.

Quote from ElCubano:

You are missing the point ART you have no choice....you either kill him or he kills you or perhaps even worse he kills your wife or son.....tell us now what u would do???

 

[axeman]

You dont know what you would do??!?!?!

Are you serious???

Its not OBVIOUS with your young daughter clinging to your
leg behind you in terror???

You wouldn't know to immediately defend your family?
You would freely put your daughters life into the hands
of this lunatic?!?!
Your some piece of work 777.

Im not too worried though..... Darwin takes care of people like you


peace

axeman

Quote from ARogueTrader:

What would I do?

Don't know. I never know with hypothetical. I don't have programmed responses to all potential hypothetical, do you?

The instinct for survival would likely kick in, but it is man's evolution that elevates him over the purely instinctual behavior of animals.

Again, it is a hypothetical.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

I'd read another version of the "Texas Family Saga." It does not end with "Band!Bang!Bang!Bang!Bang!Click.Click." It continues:

Daughter:"Nice shooting, Dad. Tight group. I think I saw him twitch."

Wife:" She's right, honey. I saw it, too. Here finish him off with my .45."

 

[Hello_Dollars]

Quote from ARogueTrader:

What would I do?

Don't know. I never know with hypothetical. I don't have programmed responses to all potential hypothetical, do you?

The instinct for survival would likely kick in, but it is man's evolution that elevates him over the purely instinctual behavior of animals.

Again, it is a hypothetical.

I think the instinct to crap your pants would kick in.

 

[ARogueTrader]

I might, who knows?

Hypotheticals are just that, who knows?

Our resident chickenhawks of course think they would be Rambo...LMAO.

Quote from Hello_Dollars:

I think the instinct to crap your pants would kick in.