Pat Tillman and Mohammad Atta: Ethical Equals?

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :D

You forgot to include ARTs answer:

"Get on your knees and offer him a blow job before he kills
you because your such a piece of shit and deserve to die" :D

peace

axeman



Quote from Burtakus:

Democrat, Republican or Texan

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges. You're carrying a Smith & Wesson revolver and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

Democrat's Answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the pistol have an appropriate safety built into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun and what kind of message does this send to society and my children? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion.

Republican's Answer:

BANG!

Texan's Answer:

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click click click...


Pretty self explanatory.
 
Quote from Burtakus:

Democrat, Republican or Texan

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges. You're carrying a Smith & Wesson revolver and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

Democrat's Answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the pistol have an appropriate safety built into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun and what kind of message does this send to society and my children? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion.

Republican's Answer:

BANG!

Texan's Answer:

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click click click...


Pretty self explanatory.

LOL LOL LOL

Excellent. That pretty much sums it all up. I'd just add one thing to the democrat response in the case of ART. Before answering, I suspect he'd also first reach for his laptop to see if The Nation had anything to say about the matter, and would then draft 14 posts about the ethical perspective of and unfortunate childhood trauma experienced by his poor misunderstood would be killer. But other than that, you nailed it.
 
Thats the understatement of the year :D

ART is simply one twisted sick individual who must hate himself
so much for being an american.

He should go to the middle east and offer himself as a
slave to all the terrorists for the sins commited by other
americans :D

Put your money where you mouth is 777. GET OUT OF THE USA
and start making up for all the evils we have caused
all over the world :D

Im sure the terrorists would be thrilled to meet a guilty ridden
american like yourself. LOL :D

peace

axeman


Quote from I Missed Boat:
And you actually call this arrogant, you refer to this as failing to try to understand the terrorists point of view, and you describe this as morally equivalent? You are amazing!
 
Collateral damage justification argument doesn't wash, unless the agenda is 100% pure in nature.

If the motives are not pure, then the innocent who die and are labled "collateral damage" are in fact murdered indirectly in the same way a drunk driver murders when his car spins out of control.

We use rationalize our own evil by saying we are doing some good.

It is a con job by the administration, and when you look at who is profiting from this war, it is no coincidence.

The very fact that we allow profiteering by US corporations during this "holy war" against terrorism is the ultimate in "shamocracy."

As far as Tillman goes, he is considered a hero and a patriot in this country, in the same way that Che was considered a hero and a patriot is his country, and many of the "terrorists" are considered heroes and patriots in their countries.

Quote from I Missed Boat:

First of all, that is a ridiculous generalization. We are not saying killing is wrong. We are saying killing the innocent, particularly killing the innocent on purpose, is wrong!

Secondly, you are saying we are consistent because the US, given its resources as well as its interests, must pick and choose where it involves itself. We have gotten involved many times for humanitarian reasons in countries that had no strategic importance to us, but the fact is that nations, like people, often have to pick their battles. I hope you are just young, naive and ignorant, because if you haven't figured out that people (and for the same reason, states) must pick their battles, no matter how principled and active they are, then you are obviously someone who does not learn from experience (I won't mention what that is the definition of).

If there is a good argument against going into Iraq, it is that we didn't do a good job prioritizing, not that Sadaam wasn't a threat or that he wasn't one of the worst rulers in the world. But given the greater threats lurking, Iraq should not have been our first priority.

Let's also remember that Tillman died in, of all places, Afghanistan, fighting al Quada and al-queda aligned and extreme oppressors the Taliban. And he did this following their attack on the US, one that intentionally killed thousands of civilians (and sought to kill many thousands more). He did this after they killed a couple thousand natives in Kenya and Tanzania, in order to destroy our embassies and kill a few Americans. They planned more attacks, had many more attacks foiled, and weren't even willing to negotiate on turning bin Laden over. Now the US is helping to rebuild the country, has helped millions of women to gain freedom and get an education, and is working to create a stable democracy (with the blessing of the entire world, and the support of many nations, by the way). And you actually call this arrogant, you refer to this as failing to try to understand the terrorists point of view, and you describe this as morally equivalent? You are amazing!
 
Quote from Burtakus:

Democrat, Republican or Texan

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges. You're carrying a Smith & Wesson revolver and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

Democrat's Answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the pistol have an appropriate safety built into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun and what kind of message does this send to society and my children? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion.

Republican's Answer:

BANG!

Texan's Answer:

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click click click...


Pretty self explanatory.


what i would do....bang,bang, bang and mo bang bang bang and then take his knife toss it far away and then place a hand gun in his hand....peace
 
Quote from ARogueTrader:


Why should Saddam have listened to a few rogue parties who wanted to take action, when the governing council of the UN did not itself approve of the action?


You are confused. Sadaam wasn't "listening" to the UN and the IAEA. As they noted, he was not cooperating with inspections. True, the UN did not sanction an attack, but by then the issue wasn't about Sadaam "listening." By then it was too late, he had failed to "listen" to the world body when it tried to work with him to inspect his WMD facilities and records.

Quote from ARogueTrader:


This lack of balance of power in the world is a dangerous thing, and history has shown time and time again what happens when a super power acts with impunity.

Actually, there has never been a single power who was as much a force for good (although not without plenty of mistakes along the way, which is inevitable). But more importantly, what history and the League of Nations has also shown is that without powerful countries to keep order, a world body is useless. This was why the small countries actually recommended and supported a strong role for the "superpowers" in discussions over a United Nations (Dumbarton Oaks, Yalta and San Fran). Thus was born the Security Council.

What's also funny is that so many people think the US should not be the major power, and they often say the US should keep out of the affairs of others. Then when tragedies happen, they demand the US get involved or fault the US for failing to do so.
 
Quote from Burtakus:

Democrat, Republican or Texan

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges. You're carrying a Smith & Wesson revolver and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

Democrat's Answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the pistol have an appropriate safety built into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun and what kind of message does this send to society and my children? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion.

Republican's Answer:

BANG!

Texan's Answer:

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click click click...


Pretty self explanatory.

I should hope that sensible Liberals like Bungrider & RS7...and even those a bit father to left like Waggie & Rowenwood, would do right thing and put a few new holes in their attacker. Wouldn't they?
 
It's hard to fathom.... but i've met people who swore
they would not.

In a kill or be killed situation, I just cant comprehend how
anyone would vote to have the CRIMINAL survive, ESPECIALLY
when the vote is coming from the would be victim :confused:

Some people are seriously warped.
Almost like rabbits...evolutionarily evolved to be food
for predators...lmao :p Kill me! Kill me dammit! :p

peace

axeman



Quote from Rearden Metal:

I should hope that sensible Liberals like Bungrider & RS7...and even those a bit father to left like Waggie & Rowenwood, would do right thing and put a few new holes in their attacker. Wouldn't they?
 
If you could stun him with a taser, and call the police so that "justice" could be served, that would be a less barbaric approach.

Folks like you have an old west vigilante mindset.


Quote from Rearden Metal:

I should hope that sensible Liberals like Bungrider & RS7...and even those a bit father to left like Waggie & Rowenwood, would do right thing and put a few new holes in their attacker. Wouldn't they?
 
Quote from ARogueTrader:

If you could stun him with a taser, and call the police so that "justice" could be served, that would be a less barbaric approach.

Folks like you have an old west vigilante mindset.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

ART, you are priceless.
 
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