That bs Jon. He's rasing taxes on virtually everyone. There are other taxes besides income. And besides it's not just his call. He works for Congress too. An aide to Rahm Emanuel told a friend of mine that the Dems will shoot for a 28% cap gains and make it retroactive for 2009. That'll be a tax hike for a hell of lot more people than the "top 5%".
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Pastor: GOP may be downplaying Palin's religious beliefs
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That bs Jon. He's rasing taxes on virtually everyone. There are other taxes besides income. And besides it's not just his call. He works for Congress too. An aide to Rahm Emanuel told a friend of mine that the Dems will shoot for a 28% cap gains and make it retroactive for 2009. That'll be a tax hike for a hell of lot more people than the "top 5%".
Quote from bigdavediode:
It is hard to believe that they thought this. Can you supply a quote or two? I know that Jefferson had debates with Adam regarding the deification of Jesus, (ie. Jefferson felt that this was false) but I'd like to see any quotes you can provide.
You bring up a good point. It's probably impossible to know what the founding fathers actually believed. Im going to do some research on it now that your bring it up. A few quick google searches brought up some very left sounding, and then some very right wing sounding websites. I'll post what I find. But my main point was that in this country, its the predominant belief. Off topic: I do think its funny how some people claim Jesus to be simply "a profit". He claimed he WAS God. If you don't believe that he was, then it seems you have to believe he was pretty much insane. One or the other, but just a profit? I don't see it.
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
That bs Jon. He's rasing taxes on virtually everyone. There are other taxes besides income. And besides it's not just his call. He works for Congress too. An aide to Rahm Emanuel told a friend of mine that the Dems will shoot for a 28% cap gains and make it retroactive for 2009. That'll be a tax hike for a hell of lot more people than the "top 5%".
It's not that black and white. He's raising income tax for the top 5%, lowering taxes for the bottom 95%, raising capital gains tax, lowering estate taxes....I would say its safe to say he's raising and lowering them haha.
However my point is that he's not starting some class warfare. Income tax wise, its not class warfare unless you consider 95% of us 1 class and the other 5% another class. Capital gains wise, I THINK he's raising them for everybody (with the exception of small biz) so that obviously isnt class warfare either.
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
That bs Jon. He's rasing taxes on virtually everyone. There are other taxes besides income. And besides it's not just his call. He works for Congress too. An aide to Rahm Emanuel told a friend of mine that the Dems will shoot for a 28% cap gains and make it retroactive for 2009. That'll be a tax hike for a hell of lot more people than the "top 5%".
Honestly Pabst, and I mean this genuinely not sarcastically, did you think the war was going to be free?
Quote from jonbig04:
It's not that black and white. He's raising income tax for the top 5%, lowering taxes for the bottom 95%, raising capital gains tax, lowering estate taxes....I would say its safe to say he's raising and lowering them haha.
However my point is that he's not starting some class warfare. Income tax wise, its not class warfare unless you consider 95% of us 1 class and the other 5% another class. Capital gains wise, I THINK he's raising them for everybody (with the exception of small biz) so that obviously isnt class warfare either.
40% of wage earners ALREADY have no Federal tax liability. Fewer and fewer people pay for the Federal government yet more and more people have a stake in the Federal government. It's a danger going forward. Income searching capital knows no border. As much of the industrialized world is moving to smaller Central governments: Conservatives are winning seats in Canada, U.K., France, Germany-we're still moving left. On top of it we have a shitty demographic. Subsidizing a student in Minnesota has a payoff, subsidizing 3 Mexican kids in L.A. only so they can drop out and join a gang is NOT what's going to allow us to compete going forward. Our cities are broke and Washington no matter WHO is in charge keeps sucking resources into it's black hole.
My ardent opposition to Obama is based primarily on one reason. I'm a Chicagoan. If the insanely inadequate, inefficient Obama/Daley/Dem model of Chicago and Illinois is soon to be the Federal model we're in deep shit. Do we need change? Fuck yea. Sometimes change for the sake of change isn't the best bet though. Ask the stupid index traders on ET who just mindlessly get chopped out of business by flipping long, flipping short off of price action. The right trade is the conservative trade. Bush just happened to be the wrong conservative stock to own.
Quote from bigdavediode:
Honestly Pabst, and I mean this genuinely not sarcastically, did you think the war was going to be free?
I opposed the war. I'm an isolationist. I oppose troops in Afghanistan as well. You don't. Neither does your candidate. And some day in the near future Pakistan is going to say "fuck you America" and we'll be in a REAL dandy where we're losing more troops in a bad week than we lost in 5 years of Iraq.
How I'm different from Democrats is I opposed it before it started but supported it after it started.
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
I opposed the war. I'm an isolationist. I oppose troops in Afghanistan as well. You don't. Neither does your candidate. And some day in the near future Pakistan is going to say "fuck you America" and we'll be in a REAL dandy where we're losing more troops in a bad week than we lost in 5 years of Iraq.
How, if we're not there? Pakistan's going to invade the US?
How I'm different from Democrats is I opposed it before it started but supported it after it started.
Well that's Obama. Same exact position.
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
40% of wage earners ALREADY have no Federal tax liability. Fewer and fewer people pay for the Federal government yet more and more people have a stake in the Federal government.
Everybody has a stake in the Federal Government. The fact that 40% have no federal tax liability is partially because the Republicans have allowed massive income disparity.
It's a danger going forward. Income searching capital knows no border. As much of the industrialized world is moving to smaller Central governments: Conservatives are winning seats in Canada, U.K., France, Germany-we're still moving left.
You're wrong there. First off the conservatives in Canada are a minority government, secondly they are about as left as the Democrats are in the US.
You don't seriously think that the US is moving left of Canada, the UK and France.
On top of it we have a shitty demographic. Subsidizing a student in Minnesota has a payoff, subsidizing 3 Mexican kids in L.A. only so they can drop out and join a gang is NOT what's going to allow us to compete going forward.
How about a subsidizing a Mexican kid who winds up running for the Republican nomination for president?
Our cities are broke and Washington no matter WHO is in charge keeps sucking resources into it's black hole.
Most cities are not actually broke.
My ardent opposition to Obama is based primarily on one reason. I'm a Chicagoan. If the insanely inadequate, inefficient Obama/Daley/Dem model of Chicago and Illinois is soon to be the Federal model we're in deep shit. Do we need change? Fuck yea. Sometimes change for the sake of change isn't the best bet though. Ask the stupid index traders on ET who just mindlessly get chopped out of business by flipping long, flipping short off of price action. The right trade is the conservative trade. Bush just happened to be the wrong conservative stock to own.
I'm sorry, but in my opinion the Republicans have nothing to do with conservatism.
Quote from bigdavediode:
Everybody has a stake in the Federal Government. The fact that 40% have no federal tax liability is partially because the Republicans have allowed massive income disparity.
Huh? What does disparity have to do with it? Nothing. Explain how.
You're wrong there. First off the conservatives in Canada are a minority government, secondly they are about as left as the Democrats are in the US.
You don't seriously think that the US is moving left of Canada, the UK and France.
You're the one who is wrong. Polls indicate the Conservatives will hold over 180 seats after the 10/14 election. A decisive majority. http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=4912918a-6b40-4bdc-83bb-648cc47429aa
Here's whats going on in the U.K. Read it and weap.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2008/sep/09/polls.conservatives
And even Sarkozy has rebounded strongly in polls.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL811612220080908
How about a subsidizing a Mexican kid who winds up running for the Republican nomination for president?
How about sending that Mexican kid to the school of his choice at a reasonable cost instead of creating segregated public schools. The CPS is 11% non Latino white. Male blacks drop out at 55%. Liberals bitched about the need for forced integration through busing and they got their wish. They created urban, public schools so dangerous that there's now no whites schools left to integrate with. Taxpaying white families have voted with their feet. To the suburbs they go. The emerging revolution can already be sensed. Wealthy empty nesters and the gays who've made up the slack in developing the ânewâ cities are FREAKING OUT about paying excessive education taxes when they themselves are childless. Perhaps Sen. Change can institute a Federal tax for education. I'm sure folks in Iowa would be stoked to help pay the 80K salary of an illiterate Detroit teacher.
Most cities are not actually broke.
A bullshit, parched Obama lawyer response. And you wonder why plain speaking Palin is killing you. No the cities themselves aren't broke. Only their school systems, transit authorities and public employee pension systems. [/b]
I'm sorry, but in my opinion the Republicans have nothing to do with conservatism.
Opinions are like assholes...