although in the timefrane i trade it's totally irrelevant, i think we still have a long way to go to the bottom. In europe the first accounting scandal has appeared in the case of Ahold. In Holland it's already publicly known that the balance sheet of Aegon is largely inflated. Aegon is now the prey of short selling hedge funds and it's only a matter of time till they collapse. Unilever is also the subject of accounting issue rumors.I bet they will be the first in a long row. Pensions of millions of workers have evaporated by the fall of the markets, the media persist in their refusal to cover this topic. there's a banking crisis in Germany, although it's still denied. germany also has to cope with deflation. the similarities with Japan are striking. There are clear signs that we still have some dropping to do. When you consider that the eurpean indices already have dropped 30% more than the Dow and S&P the picture becomes pretty ugly.