Part 2: What really happened ....11 september

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What happened 9/11/01? Two planes flew into the WTC causing the building to collapse thereby killing 3000 people. That's it! That ain't even the story, or the crime.
The crime is the Bush administration willfully ignoring intel prior to the attack. There was growing evidence of an immediate threat and they poo poohed it. They knew something was coming and did virtually nothing to prevent it. The actual event was irrelevant.
Tell me, do you think the events following 9/11 to where we are now would be any different had the WTC NOT collapsed? Would it have made a difference if only 300 had died instead of 3000? Would it have even mattered if some other buildings had been hit? Not a chance! Any terrorist event would have done, they knew a big one was coming, and they did nothing to prevent it. That's the crime!
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the first thing that came to mind after the first plane hit was, "Bin Laden", (I fogot his first name in that split second). My Point? EVERYONE KNEW.

Just like everyone knows that SS and Medicare are ticking time bombs, but there is no politically teneable solution. The public would not have stood for the security measures imposed post-911, had they been imposed pre 9-11.

You provide less argument that the controlled demolition crackpots, like the douche-bag TronotoTrader. At least they have pictures, you're simply surmising that Bush (and Clinton for that matter, remember the first attack?) willingfully allowed an attack on us soil. The intelligence agencies knew there was a heighthened threat, that much is clear, they issued no-fly warnings in the days leading up to 911, but considering the multi-colorerd Terrorist Alerts that flash on our TVs, there were, undoubtedly, far more false-positive warnings that went unreported.

The fact is, we live in an open society, there is no way to stop these threats all together.
 
IF the CT'ers think that 9/11 was created so the Bush administration
would get backing for invading Afghanistan and Iraq, then I guess
we should have another 9/11 soon with about 25 airplanes this
time so we can attack Iran. Maybe 10-20 train bombs also. Bush
will blame it on the leader of Iran.

Imagine all the carnage this time just so we can go to war.

I guess all these buildings are now being rigged to come down
now as we speak. And the trains too. Maybe some buses also.

Iv'e heard the demolition people are getting good business right now...:p
 
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Imagine all the carnage this time just so we can go to war.

I guess all these buildings are now being rigged to come down
now as we speak. And the trains too. Maybe some buses also.

Iv'e heard the demolition people are getting good business right now...:p
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Your a little haughty in your approach, me'thinks.

It should be evident, not much in the way of planning is necessary for most of the goals you outlined, to occur.


The reality check, if their is one, is that well organised groups with munitions to burn, and any variety of appropriate cover, can do whatever the heck they like, basically.
 
Why didn't the Mossad warn the US that an attack was going to take place? Was it just selfishness or involvement?


Cheering Movers and Art Student Spies: Was Israel Tracking the Hijackers Before the 9/11 Attacks?

A new article in the newsletter Counterpunch examines unresolved questions over whether Israeli agents were tracking the 9/11 hijackers before September 11th. ABC’s 20/20, The Forward, and Salon.com have all covered the story. But where’s the follow up? We speak to the author of the article, Christopher Ketcham; Counterpunch editor Alexander Cockburn, and Marc Perelman, the Forward reporter who did one of the first reports on the story in 2002. [includes rush transcript] Were Israeli agents tracking the 9/11 hijackers before September 11th? In 2002, ABC’s 20/20, Salon.com, and the Jewish newspaper The Forward all did this story. But where’s the follow up?

Freelance journalist Christopher Ketcham has just published a comprehensive piece on this story in the newsletter Counterpunch. The article highlights various interconnected stories: The five Israeli “movers” who witnesses say were cheering after the first plane struck the World Trade Center; the so-called Israeli art students who were living in concentrated areas where hijackers were living around the United States and how two of the hijackers ended up on the Watch List weeks before 9/11.

Christopher Ketcham, the author of the article, joins us on the line from Upstate New York. Alexander Cockburn also joins us on the line. He is the editor of Counterpunch where the piece is published. And with us here in the firehouse studio is Marc Perelman he is the reporter who did one of the first reports on the story for The Forward in 2002.

* Marc Perelman. Diplomatic Correspondent for The Forward. He broke the story about Israeli spies in 2002.

* Alexander Cockburn. Editor of Counterpunch.

* Christopher Ketcham. Freelance journalist. Author of “What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?” in the latest edition of CounterPunch’s print newsletter.

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AMY GOODMAN: Christopher Ketcham, the author of the article, joins us on the line from Upstate New York. Alexander Cockburn also joins us on the phone. He is the editor of Counterpunch, where the piece is published. And with us here in the firehouse studio is Marc Perelman. He is the reporter who did one of the first reports on the story for the newspaper, The Forward, in 2002.

Why don't we begin with Christopher Ketcham? Christopher, start off with the story you begin with in this latest piece, and that’s the story of the five so-called “movers,” this story that has been documented, talked about, rumored about. Explain what happened that morning of 9/11.

CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM: Sure. Let me just preface this whole conversation just to say that the Counterpunch article does not pretend to provide readers with a definitive smoking gun for these allegations. Rather, what I’ve done is gathered all the available information on the matter. That is, the disparate media reports that you mentioned; leaked documents from FBI, CIA and the Justice Department; conversations with former intelligence officials and current FBI officers.

Now, the upshot of all this available evidence is this: the Israeli government likely was conducting some kind of spy operation on US soil in the run-up to the September 11th attacks. The purpose of the operation was to identify and track Muslim extremists, possibly including members of al-Qaeda.

Now, the best evidence that we have for this is, in fact, the story of these five moving men. Now, three of these guys were seen on the morning of September 11, just after the first plane hit the North Tower, quote-unquote, “celebrating” on the New Jersey waterfront. Now, that's -- I put the quotes around that, because it comes from a FBI BOLO, or “be on lookout,” an alert that was put out regarding these men that day. The celebration apparently consisted of high-fiving, according to one FBI official, of holding up cigarette lighters, as if they’re at a rock concert. So, remember, the plane has just hit the tower, exploded in the tower, and these three men are behaving rather oddly.

Later in the day, they were picked up. Two other men apparently joined them in a van. They were -- the case was immediately handed over to FBI counterintelligence. The men were held for 71 days. They were repeatedly interrogated. They repeatedly failed lie detector tests. And then, after those 71 days was up, they were sent home, apparently under pressure or because of pressure brought by the Israeli government and by certain players in the US government. And the story sort of disappeared from there. I mean, 20/20 covered this --

AMY GOODMAN: Just one thing, Chris Ketcham, you say -- you quote the officer who arrested them, named DeCarlo. You say, according to DeCarlo's report, this officer was told without question by the driver of the moving van, Sivan Kurzberg, “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.”

CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM: Right. Well, what's interesting there is that, you recall after the first plane hit, no one really thought that this was a terrorist attack. I mean, most people thought -- and I was there, you know, on the Brooklyn waterfront watching this whole thing. Everyone thought it was an accident. These guys, when they were interrogated by FBI, told them that -- essentially said that they immediately knew it was a terrorist attack. And they actually told the FBI that the reason they were celebrating was because the attacks would be beneficial to Israel, that it was, quote, “a good thing for Israel” -- that's according to the FBI spokesman who spoke on the record about this -- and that it would bring sympathy for Israel's political agenda in the Middle East.

JUAN GONZALEZ: And if I could interrupt, I’d like to bring in Marc Perelman to the conversation. Marc, it was your newspaper, The Forward, that first broke the story that the FBI thought that at least a couple of these people were Mossad agents. Could you talk about that and how you uncovered that information?

Rest: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/08/1610254
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Why didn't the Mossad warn the US that an attack was going to take place? Was it just selfishness or involvement?
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How can you be convinced so easliy that the Mossad knew when,
where, and what the attack was going to be?

Oh, that's right. You are the most vocal Jew-hater of ET... forgot...
 
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How can you be convinced so easliy that the Mossad knew when,
where, and what the attack was going to be?

Oh, that's right. You are the most vocal Jew-hater of ET... forgot...
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Three of the five "dancing Israelis" appeared on an Israeli television show to explain that they were sent to document the event. They were filming the Twin Towers on 9/11 before the attack and then were celebrating and taking pictures of themselves with the burning WTC in the background. Here is an excerpt of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcON2XbFR3I&NR

One of the Israelis says about filming the burning WTC:

"Our purpose was to document the event."
 
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Three of the five "dancing Israelis" appeared on an Israeli television show to explain that they were sent to document the event. They were filming the Twin Towers on 9/11 before the attack and then were celebrating and taking pictures of themselves with the burning WTC in the background. Here is an excerpt of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcON2XbFR3I&NR

One of the Israelis says about filming the burning WTC:

"Our purpose was to document the event."
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Hello. My name is PLATO2. I am also known as WAKE-UP. I have posted here that I think pedophilia is ok and that the real harm in pedophilic attack occurs when a pedophile is jailed for life and raped in prison, something he does not deserve.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86933

I believe anything I see on Youtube. I believe everything on Google Video actually happened.

I failed in my life. I wasn't able to compete and I didn't have the drive to succeed and now, instead of acting like a man and dying quietly, I am looking for someone to blame.

The Jews are to blame.
 
I believe anything I see on Youtube. I believe everything on Google Video actually happened.
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Well, the Jewish controlled media isn't that great of an alternative. This video is around for years, and no one ever made the assumption that it is fake. Compare the guys talking on the video with the pictures of the dancing Jews - they match. The voice-over is also real, and this can not be denied.

They where most definitely Mossad agents, that is a fact. Pretending it isn't so, or that their activities were misunderstood, is not helpful. Refusing to admit wrongdoing just makes things worse. Israel was involved in 9/11, without a doubt. That's not anti-semitic, it's the truth.
 
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That is true. There were Jews in the buildings and they were killed by the radical Islamic terrorists who carried out the attacks, just like non-Jews were killed. Any country that lost citizens that day is 'involved'.

I just read that 90 Palestinians have died in the past month. They were killed by... yes, you guessed it, other Palestinians.

2000 Iranians dead in the past 90 days by the hand of... you guessed it, other Iranians.

Shia on Sunni violence at... yes, you guessed it, record levels in modern times.

Hmmm... now why is it that these people seem to love to murder other people so much??

How many Israelis were killed by other Israelis in the past month?

Yes, you guessed it....

None.

I wonder if the majority of peace loving Muslims are as sickened by you as I am.

Oh, that's right, I forgot. You have the right to behead them as well, if they don't agree to your interpretation of the Koran.

By the way... I thought it was Laura Bush and her daughters who carried out the attacks?
 
This is exactly what I talked about. There is no real news anymore. It is all "total spectrum dominance" - their words not mine.


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Information Warfare, Psy-ops and the Power of Myth

By Mike Whitney

02/15/07 "ICH" --- - The bombing of the Golden Dome Mosque in Samarra is the cornerstone of Bush’s psychological operations (psy-ops) in Iraq. That’s why it is critical to have an independent investigation and discover who is really responsible. The bombing has been used as a “Pearl Harbor-type” event which has deflected responsibility for the 650,000 Iraqi casualties and more than 3 million refugees. These are the victims of American occupation not civil war.

The bombing was concocted by men who believe that they can control the public through perception management. In practical terms, this means that they create events which can be used to support their far-right doctrine. In this case, the destruction of the mosque has been used to confuse the public about the real origins of the rising sectarian tensions and hostilities. The fighting between Sunni and Shiite is the predictable upshot of random bombings and violence which bears the signature of covert operations carried out by intelligence organizations. Most of the pandemonium in Iraq is the result of counterinsurgency operations (black-ops) on a massive scale not civil war.

The Pentagon’s bold new approach to psychological operations (psy-ops) appears to have derived from the theories of former State Dept official, Philip Zelikow (who also served on the 9-11 Commission) Zelikow is an expert on “the creation and maintenance of ‘public myths’ or ‘public presumptions’. His theory analyzes how consciousness is shaped by “searing events” which take on “transcendent importance” and, therefore, move the public in the direction chosen by the policymakers.

“In the Nov-Dec 1998 issue of Foreign Affairs he (Zelikow) co-authored an article called ‘Catastrophic Terrorism’ in which he speculated that if the 1993 bombing of the World Trade center had succeeded ‘the resulting horror and chaos would have exceeded our ability to describe it. Such an act of catastrophic terrorism would be a watershed event in American history. ‘It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented in peacetime and undermine America’s fundamental sense of security, as did the Soviet bomb test in 1949. The US might respond with draconian measures scaling back civil liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects and use of deadly force. More violence could follow, either future terrorist attacks or US counterattacks. Belatedly, Americans would judge their leaders negligent for not addressing terrorism more urgently”. (Wikipedia)

Zelikow’s article presumes that if one creates their own “searing event” (such as 9-11 or the bombing of the Golden Dome Mosque) they can steer the public in whatever direction they choose. His theory depends entirely on a “state-media nexus” which can be depended on to disseminate propaganda uniformly. There is no more reliable propaganda-system in the world today than the western media.

New Clues in the Bombing

New clues have surfaced in the case of the bombing of the Golden Mosque which suggests that the claims of the Bush administration are false. An article by Marc Santora, (“One Year Later, Golden Mosque still in Ruins”, New York Times) provides eyewitness testimony of what really took place one year ago:

“A caretaker at the shrine described what happened on the day of the attack, insisting on anonymity because he was afraid that talking to an American could get him killed. The general outline of his account was confirmed by American and Iraqi officials.

The night before the explosion, he said, just before the 8 p.m. curfew on Feb. 21, 2006, on the Western calendar, men dressed in commando uniforms like those issued by the Interior Ministry entered the shrine.

The caretaker said he had been beaten, tied up and locked in a room.

Throughout the night, he said, he could hear the sound of drilling as the attackers positioned the explosives, apparently in such a way as to inflict maximum damage on the dome”.(NY Times)

Clearly, if the men were men dressed in “commando uniforms like those issued by the Interior Ministry”, then the logical place to begin an investigation would be the Interior Ministry. But there's never been an investigation and the caretaker has never been asked to testify about what he saw on the night of the bombing. However, if he is telling the truth, we cannot exclude the possibility that paramilitary contractors (mercenaries) or special-ops (intelligence) agents working out of the Interior Ministry may have destroyed the mosque to create the appearance of a nascent civil war.

Isn’t that what Bush wants to divert attention from the occupation and to show that the real conflict is between Shiites and Sunnis?

It's unlikely that the mosque was destroyed by “Sunni insurgents or Al Qaida” as Bush claims. Samarra is predominantly a Sunni city and the Sunnis have nearly as much respect for the mosque as a cultural icon and sacred shrine as the Shiites.

The Times also adds, “What is clear is that the attack was carefully planned and calculated”.

True again. We can see from the extent of the damage that the job was carried out by demolition experts and not merely “insurgents or terrorists” with explosives. Simple forensic tests and soil samples could easily determine the composition of the explosives and point out the real perpetrators.

The Times even provides a motive for the attack: “Bad people used this incident to divide Iraq on a detestable sectarian basis.”

Bingo! The administration has repeatedly used the incident to highlight divisions, incite acrimony, and prolong the occupation.

Finally, the Times notes the similarities between 9-11 and the bombing of the Golden Mosque: “I can describe what was done as exactly like what happened to the World Trade Center.”(NY Times)

In fact, the bombing of the Golden Mosque is a reenactment of September 11. In both cases an independent investigation was intentionally quashed and carefully-prepared narrative was immediately provided. The government’s version of events has been critical in supporting the extremist policies of the Bush administration.

Just as 9-11 has been used to justify the enhanced powers of the “unitary” president, the evisceration of civil liberties, and a permanent state of war; so too, the bombing of the Golden Mosque, has been used to create a fictional narrative of deeply ingrained sectarian animosity that has no historical precedent. Both events need to be exposed by thorough and independent investigations.

The Bush administration has consistently abandoned the limitations of “reality-based” politics. They govern through demagoguery, force and deception. This is no different.

9-11 and the Golden Mosque are the foundation blocks in the Pentagon’s “Strategic Information” program. It is a war that is directed at the American people and it relies heavily on the power of myth.

Forewarned is forearmed.
 
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