Paris was just a test

piezoe · Nov 18, 2015

CaptainObvious said:
Perhaps Ron Paul said it best: "They are over here because we are over there." There was a whole lot more validity to that argument 20-30 years ago. Todays jihadi is a whole different animal.
Think of it in terms of the BLM klan. This group has nothing in common with the civil rights groups of the 50's and 60's. Then there were actual grievances. True racist oppression and discrimination, much of it state sponsored. Todays group has to fabricate these things where none exists. It's about revenge for them. Revenge for sins of the past that they don't experience.
ISIS and other modern day terrorists aren't in it for justice. This is the holey war, end times, all infidels must die. They buy this hook, line and sinker. There is nothing to negotiate.
We are act the preverbal fork in the road. A decision must be made. We can vacate the premises entirely and watch a genocide the likes of which has never occurred in modern history, and keep our fingers crossed that they just slaughter each other and leave us out of it. Unlikely, but possible. Or, we can enter this holey war full tilt and you're right. It will cost trillions of dollars and most likely tens of thousands of American lives. Millions of Muslims will be killed. The carnage will be horrific, and then as you state, we have to stick around for decades and the whole place might still go up for grabs.
My idea at the moment. Vacate the entire region and give fair warning. One terrorist attack on American soil and we nuke the entire region. Yes, I mean nuke. Burn the whole f'n place to the ground and hit the re-set button. Or we can just be nibbled to death by a duck.
Bottom line is, we aren't going to be able to just wish this away. Decisions will be made by us, or for us. Either way it's really messy.

I believe you are right regarding the shift. Today's Jihadists seem to fit your description. But we should think long and hard about being prepared to use nuclear weapons on an entire region. If we make the kind of threat you describe, then we have to be prepared carry through with it. Is that wise? I think probably not.

Nine_Ender · Nov 19, 2015

CaptainObvious said:
Perhaps Ron Paul said it best: "They are over here because we are over there." There was a whole lot more validity to that argument 20-30 years ago. Todays jihadi is a whole different animal.
Think of it in terms of the BLM klan. This group has nothing in common with the civil rights groups of the 50's and 60's. Then there were actual grievances. True racist oppression and discrimination, much of it state sponsored. Todays group has to fabricate these things where none exists. It's about revenge for them. Revenge for sins of the past that they don't experience.
ISIS and other modern day terrorists aren't in it for justice. This is the holey war, end times, all infidels must die. They buy this hook, line and sinker. There is nothing to negotiate.
We are act the preverbal fork in the road. A decision must be made. We can vacate the premises entirely and watch a genocide the likes of which has never occurred in modern history, and keep our fingers crossed that they just slaughter each other and leave us out of it. Unlikely, but possible. Or, we can enter this holey war full tilt and you're right. It will cost trillions of dollars and most likely tens of thousands of American lives. Millions of Muslims will be killed. The carnage will be horrific, and then as you state, we have to stick around for decades and the whole place might still go up for grabs.
My idea at the moment. Vacate the entire region and give fair warning. One terrorist attack on American soil and we nuke the entire region. Yes, I mean nuke. Burn the whole f'n place to the ground and hit the re-set button. Or we can just be nibbled to death by a duck.
Bottom line is, we aren't going to be able to just wish this away. Decisions will be made by us, or for us. Either way it's really messy.

Sick, immoral people like you who hold a great hatred for those of a different background shouldn't be listened to at all. Some of the worst atrocities in human history occur when some dumb ass like yourself who lacks empathy for others and hates very easily gets some power to do something about it. Intelligent people look at the US experiences in Vietnam and Iraq and learn from them; dumb asses like you want to follow George W.'s lead except trump what he did with much graver consequences.

What a sick, perverted guy you are saying you'd nuke an entire region that doesn't personally please you. Fuck you and your ignorant ideas.

CaptainObvious · Nov 19, 2015

This is not the first time we have dealt with a fanatical enemy. They too were ready to fight to the last man. Death did not frighten them. After years of war they suddenly became very rational. We have been at peace with them ever since and they are now great allies of ours.

CaptainObvious · Nov 19, 2015

Nine_Ender said:
Sick, immoral people like you who hold a great hatred for those of a different background shouldn't be listened to at all. Some of the worst atrocities in human history occur when some dumb ass like yourself who lacks empathy for others and hates very easily gets some power to do something about it. Intelligent people look at the US experiences in Vietnam and Iraq and learn from them; dumb asses like you want to follow George W.'s lead except trump what he did with much graver consequences.

What a sick, perverted guy you are saying you'd nuke an entire region that doesn't personally please you. Fuck you and your ignorant ideas.

Awww, now you've gone and offended me. To which authorities shall I report you? Hopefully you'll meet one of your terrorist friends up close and personal, and I hope it's really sooner than later. Just as the blade enters your throat you can tell them that you sympathize with their cause. See how that works out for you. Bye now.

Fractals 'R Us · Nov 19, 2015

AAAintheBeltway said:
My prediction: if these attacks come to the US, they will take place in cities with strict gun control laws

The day before the Paris attack they pulled one off in Lebanon that killed more people. Lebanon is armed to the teeth. Some cameras that detect faces and intentions are going to be a lot better than sidearms.

Fractals 'R Us · Nov 19, 2015

9/11 was an attack on non-lower class people: Wall Street, the Pentagon? The typical tv watching sports fan Joe doesn't give a rats ass about that. In Paris they went into a stadium and blew shit up. They are taking the war to the average Joes of the world and hopefully that won't work out well for terrorists the world over.

fhl · Nov 19, 2015

Here's what to do. A two state solution.

It's what they try to ram down the throat of Israel.

ipatent · Nov 19, 2015

They want a gas pipeline, and/or they're planning a hostile takeover of the Lebanese/Syrian opium trade because the European banks need the capital.

Frederick Foresight · Nov 19, 2015

CaptainObvious said:
This is not the first time we have dealt with a fanatical enemy. They too were ready to fight to the last man. Death did not frighten them. After years of war they suddenly became very rational. We have been at peace with them ever since and they are now great allies of ours.
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If you equate WW2 Japan to the present threat emanating from the Middle East, then you should start by nuking yourself first. Do it for national security. We'll thank you later.

ElCubano · Nov 19, 2015

CaptainObvious said:
Perhaps Ron Paul said it best: "They are over here because we are over there." There was a whole lot more validity to that argument 20-30 years ago. Todays jihadi is a whole different animal.
Think of it in terms of the BLM klan. This group has nothing in common with the civil rights groups of the 50's and 60's. Then there were actual grievances. True racist oppression and discrimination, much of it state sponsored. Todays group has to fabricate these things where none exists. It's about revenge for them. Revenge for sins of the past that they don't experience.
ISIS and other modern day terrorists aren't in it for justice. This is the holey war, end times, all infidels must die. They buy this hook, line and sinker. There is nothing to negotiate.
We are act the preverbal fork in the road. A decision must be made. We can vacate the premises entirely and watch a genocide the likes of which has never occurred in modern history, and keep our fingers crossed that they just slaughter each other and leave us out of it. Unlikely, but possible. Or, we can enter this holey war full tilt and you're right. It will cost trillions of dollars and most likely tens of thousands of American lives. Millions of Muslims will be killed. The carnage will be horrific, and then as you state, we have to stick around for decades and the whole place might still go up for grabs.
My idea at the moment. Vacate the entire region and give fair warning. One terrorist attack on American soil and we nuke the entire region. Yes, I mean nuke. Burn the whole f'n place to the ground and hit the re-set button. Or we can just be nibbled to death by a duck.
Bottom line is, we aren't going to be able to just wish this away. Decisions will be made by us, or for us. Either way it's really messy.

What region do you propose we nuke? Burn which place to the ground, like map it out so we can get an understanding of the size. Unfortunately I think it's too late in the game for that.