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Parents of slain British tourists slam Obama
- Thread starter Grandluxe
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Ha ha ha ha ha. I can't take you anymore. You're on ignore. Bye.
BTW, police can can handcuff, arrest and otherwise detain any individual on suspicion for up to 72 hours without formally charging them with a crime.
But police do not take 72 hours to (INVESTIGATE) Chris Serino "suspicions". George Zimmerman is free very soon. Why?
Quote from piezoe:
It is absurd for anyone without information other than opinion or guesswork to reach any conclusion regarding this case,...
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But the police can have conclusion George Zimmerman kill Treyvon for self defense only from George Zimmerman story/opinion?
Perhaps you don't understand the procedure in the U.S. which is different from that in some other countries. Police investigators are the ones that gather information and evidence, but the police do not make the decision whether someone is to be formally charged with a serious crime. It is usually the district attorney's office that does that. The prosecuting attorneys must decide whether there is enough evidence to indict someone for a serious criminal offense either via a grand jury review of the evidence or via filing a charge directly with a court, whereupon the evidence is supposed to be reviewed by a judge. The police may hold someone in custody for a brief period, but this is technically not the same as an arrest (though to the layman there seems little difference). If the prosecuting attorney(s) doesn't/don't think there is sufficient evidence to go to trial, the suspect won't be held.
In the U.S., this procedure has to do with Fifth Amendment rights, which sadly nowadays are often interpreted rather loosely, unless the accused has access to substantial assets and a competent team of lawyers, which is rarely the case.
Currently, the U.S. criminal justice system is backlogged under a mountain of laws and indictments. If every indictment ended up in a jury trial the courts would be back logged for years; hence for practical reasons most prosecutions end in a plea bargain rather than a jury trial.
Typical of police states, i.e., nations where the police regularly break laws with impunity, the courts continue, through rulings deferential to police, to weaken the constitutional protection of common citizens against unwarranted search and seizure. As it is, the U.S. has vastly more of its citizens locked up in jails and in for-profit prisons than any other industrialized nation. With each additional prison bed a new corporate profit center is born! (Who knew there was so much "legitimate" money to be made from crime?) God bless America, What a Country!
In the U.S., this procedure has to do with Fifth Amendment rights, which sadly nowadays are often interpreted rather loosely, unless the accused has access to substantial assets and a competent team of lawyers, which is rarely the case.
Currently, the U.S. criminal justice system is backlogged under a mountain of laws and indictments. If every indictment ended up in a jury trial the courts would be back logged for years; hence for practical reasons most prosecutions end in a plea bargain rather than a jury trial.
Typical of police states, i.e., nations where the police regularly break laws with impunity, the courts continue, through rulings deferential to police, to weaken the constitutional protection of common citizens against unwarranted search and seizure. As it is, the U.S. has vastly more of its citizens locked up in jails and in for-profit prisons than any other industrialized nation. With each additional prison bed a new corporate profit center is born! (Who knew there was so much "legitimate" money to be made from crime?) God bless America, What a Country!
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
LOL, that's a good catch. I remember that line.
Still, the motivation here is tribal, in the broadest sense of people feeling a higher loyalty to their particular identity group than to the law or society as a whole. Clealry it is not soley an African phenomenon. it is a big problem in the middle east and asia, and as the film shows, was a factor in our own society.
Tribalism is inconsistent with a progressive, pluralistic society, and it is despicable for the media and liberals to try to foment it or exploit it.
But that is exactly how US society operates on the world stage - most US citizens feel a higher loyalty to the USA than to international law or global society as a whole. The adherence to national loyalty is more important than any principles of ethics, for the vast majority of the US population. Most think that the rights and life of a non-citizen count for less than that of a citizen, and the law is similar.
Quote from RCG Trader:
Getting past tribalism is what has propelled America to her uniqueness. But between liberals, which I believe you pointed out was a coalition of minorities, and conservatives who is really the more tribal?
American is an extremely tribal society, that is why you had slavery and then segregation, and that is why guys like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are influential, and why your president makes comments based on the racial appearance of some citizens and not others. The only thing unique about the USA in this regard is how much more tribal it is than most of the rest of the 1st world, and how deluded many of its inhabitants are as to the prevalence of such socially backward and uncivilised thinking.
Of course other countries have elements of tribalism too, however I would say that the US is much more obsessed by this than say Canada, Northern Europe, Brazil, Africa (a much less racist place than USA).
Quote from piezoe:
It is absurd for anyone without information other than opinion or guesswork to reach any conclusion regarding this case, and that would include, at this point, those demonstrating on behalf of the young man who was killed, and also those who have reached the conclusion that Mr. Zimmerman is innocent, based on the paltry evidence so far available to the public.
Exactly. People need to learn to shut the fuck up until they know all the relevant facts, only then do they have enough information to offer an informed opinion.
The American electorate has always used the black vote - or should i say " negroid" against the whites " Caucasians"-I remeber when Obama was in Berlin and he did some very anti- british speeches- and now he seems to love the "Special relationship"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxFnQ-Bx348&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxFnQ-Bx348&feature=relmfu