wow ...
it's sickening that people focus on Palin's "lies" when it comes to this health care bill...
it's sickening that people focus on Palin's "lies" when it comes to this health care bill...
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Palin wins "lie of the year" for 2009
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Quote from OPTIONAL777:
So some people will not get health care...
Why is that any different than the system we currently have?
Sure, anyone can get treatment at the emergency room (that isn't going to change with Obama care).
However, the terminally ill who have no health insurance or financial resources, what do they do now?
Do you think for yourself or "rely" on the disingenuous bullshit you're fed by MSNBC?
Those who're "poor", i.e. no assets and poverty level earnings, are already treated pro-bono either by the hundred or so public hospitals in the U.S. or by early admittance into Medicaid. Unlike Calcutta, I've never witnessed the American indigent wasting away from cancer on Ventura boulevard.
Those who're uninsured but have assets are unfortunately forced to go through their own dime when seeking treatment before they go through our dime. What's unfair about means testing? Yes it sux to have been insured, diagnosed with a serious ailment and then lose your coverage through job loss or the like. But by the same token, is it fair for such a person to hang on to 200k in home equity while taxpayers who're perhaps less well off themselves foot the bill? By definition, health is the personification of life itself. Thus, I'd argue if one is inclined to prolong their life, the expenditure of such should be more a priority than equity in a home or a stock portfolio.
Bureaucrats decide who lives/dies, not much difference?Quote from Dr. Zhivodka:
Very good...Smart young man. The problem with the term "Life Panel." Is that the current conservative guru poleman Frank Luntz found out the term "death panel, scored higher with conservative kooks.
"Republicans when asked for a comment," mumbled something unintelligible then scampered away all with Newt on with speed dial....seeking talking points.
Why shouldn`t hardworking/innovative/productive people get better treatment by paying for it?Quote from OPTIONAL777:
So some people will not get health care...
Why is that any different than the system we currently have?
Sure, anyone can get treatment at the emergency room (that isn't going to change with Obama care).
However, the terminally ill who have no health insurance or financial resources, what do they do now?
Quote from loik:
Why shouldn`t hardworking/innovative/productive people get better treatment by paying for it?
Before I answer that, a quick question: did they get their hard work ethic, creativity, and productivity edge from wealthy parents?
Oops, another question: are they paying for better treatment that otherwise would go to a younger but poorer person who may yet demonstrate all those qualities and more, to a greater degree?
Bureaucrats hardly ever in any country decide who lives and dies.
It's generally disease and/or organ failure that determines death. However, one that is terminal might find more pleasant to treated by "end-life associates," like is done with medicare read: Government insurance....rather than "death panels."
You may choose differently.
It's generally disease and/or organ failure that determines death. However, one that is terminal might find more pleasant to treated by "end-life associates," like is done with medicare read: Government insurance....rather than "death panels."
You may choose differently.
Quote from loik:
Bureaucrats decide who lives/dies, not much difference?