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Palin & Joe Sixpack
- Thread starter BlindLemonBoosh
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You consider where someone attended school as an accurate measure of "competence and personal achievement"?
LMAO. I'd vote for a fireman before I'd vote for another Ivy League grad. and btw moron, it's ME who lives in a majority-minority neighborhood not you. I'm quite sure you're some suburban liberal pos......
LMAO. I'd vote for a fireman before I'd vote for another Ivy League grad. and btw moron, it's ME who lives in a majority-minority neighborhood not you. I'm quite sure you're some suburban liberal pos......
Quote from IShopAtPublix:
Why is that republicans have this emotional protest against double taxation. If I gave you a billion dollars as a gift you would pay a tax on it, if you gave what was left after taxes (or large portion of it) to someon else, the recipient would pay a tax as well and so on and so on. The point being the tax would be paid as MANY TIMES AS NECESSARY. I treat the estate tax as a tax on a gift to one's progeny.
As I said many times, the discussion needs to start with spending not taxes. US government spends insane amounts of money. Taxes and spending should decrease or increase together. I am fine with dividend tax because it is income to the recipient.
In a previous post you mentioned Bill Clinton, Bushes as harvard elites and no difference.
Nobody in their right mind would compare a self made Rhodes Scholar, Yale Law Graduate to a silver spoon miserable failure known as george w. bush. W could not find oil in Texas. He has driven several companies into the ground. W would be a homeless junkie if not for his father. It is not Harvard elites that are a problem it is people's criteria that are problem.
People thought having someone you can have a beer with was an important criteria in 2000. Big mistake. Palin's folksy crap could carry the day today. Competence and personal achievement have to be primary considerations. That thought needs to be hammered into people's heads until they understand it.
P.S After reading your posts for some time I think I know a few sites you may be interested in (or you may be visiting them on a regular basis already)
www.stormfront.org
www.whitecivilrights.com
www.davidduke.com
To hell with rednecks!
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
You consider where someone attended school as an accurate measure of "competence and personal achievement"?
LMAO. I'd vote for a fireman before I'd vote for another Ivy League grad. and btw moron, it's ME who lives in a majority-minority neighborhood not you. I'm quite sure you're some suburban liberal pos......
No, education (assuming it is not legacy education) is but one facet of achievement. I want somebody who is significantly above average in terms of achievement. It could be in business, science, chess, etc. The point being mediocre minds have no business running anything.
People who live in suburbs historically did it for many reasons not the last of which was "white flight". I don't live in a suburb I live in a city. And I said I am not a liberal I am a moderate democrat.
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
I'm a case in point. I'm worth exactly 2mil.
LOL. Holy crap. You're the guy that's been saying to people 'I can buy you and sell you'?! Damn, I thought you were rich. Can I take you up on that 100:1 GWB IQ wager now? LOL.
P.S. No, I didn't expect you to see the irony in the OP.
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
Idiocy. The "rich" don't care about income tax rates. That's why Buffet is full of shit. He and the other 1% who own 20% of the assets or whatever only have a tax consideration when they sell an asset or cash a dividend check. High INCOME tax rates are then a benefit to those who're already rich. The folks who're paying taxes on earned income are those who're trying to climb up the ladder. Some of the biggest wage earners in this country are black.
Pa(b)st, the discussion of 'progressive taxation' is not limited to income taxes. In fact, I didn't impose this limitation in the post your referred to. That limitation was imposed by you. Dividends, cap gains, consumption, income... all could be taxed progressively.
Original Post: "Isn't it ironic that the same rich white guys that have handed the 'Joe Sixpack' talking point down to Sarah Palin vociferously rail against progressive taxation as being class warfare?"
The 2008 'Conservative' Agenda: Whisper sweet nothings to Joe6, then kick his ass to the curb after the election.
I admit I'm skewed because I live in two metropolitan areas where "Joe Sixpack" is relatively affluent. Rural areas around Chicago too are booming via farm/grain prices. So by my limited experience Joe is drinking Beck's and the PBR Joe Sixpack is now Jose or Tyrone. More complicated yet, where "Joe" is still alive he's a social conservative.
One of the wild stats political scientists and sociologists don't like to mention is white America is more Republican than in any prior time in history.Think about it. It's inconceivable that an FDR would be elected today with the same all white electorate as the 1930's. An entire generation of white America came to reject socialistic big government spending policies. Today liberals are elected on the backs of minorities. Bush received over 60% of the 2004 white vote. Why? Because most whites-even the old school union whites-are increasingly investor class. Hence to much of "white America" taxes are becoming nothing more than wealth redistribution to minorities both domestically and globally.
America's cities tell the tale. How many white, property tax paying families are willing to send their kids to gang ridden schools? Those folks boogie to the 'burbs and then all of a sudden a city one third white struggles to fund tution for thousands of poor minority kids. Education costs are the welfare issue of tomorrow. There just isn't enough elasticity in this economy to make it work any longer. The takers out weigh the givers. Hence deficits. I'm steadfast that the Federal model is not just broke but totaled. I honestly believe there will be inflation of such magnitude that secession is inevitable. It may come quickly. Know what? It'll be a BLESSING. If a Chicago or L.A. could stop paying for Israel's defense and Taiwan's defense and Georgia's defense and instead use it's formally D.C. designated wealth to pay for it's own schools and under funded pension liabilities we'll again be in boom times. After one chapter is finished another starts. I see Palin as the only secession minded realist in America......
One of the wild stats political scientists and sociologists don't like to mention is white America is more Republican than in any prior time in history.Think about it. It's inconceivable that an FDR would be elected today with the same all white electorate as the 1930's. An entire generation of white America came to reject socialistic big government spending policies. Today liberals are elected on the backs of minorities. Bush received over 60% of the 2004 white vote. Why? Because most whites-even the old school union whites-are increasingly investor class. Hence to much of "white America" taxes are becoming nothing more than wealth redistribution to minorities both domestically and globally.
America's cities tell the tale. How many white, property tax paying families are willing to send their kids to gang ridden schools? Those folks boogie to the 'burbs and then all of a sudden a city one third white struggles to fund tution for thousands of poor minority kids. Education costs are the welfare issue of tomorrow. There just isn't enough elasticity in this economy to make it work any longer. The takers out weigh the givers. Hence deficits. I'm steadfast that the Federal model is not just broke but totaled. I honestly believe there will be inflation of such magnitude that secession is inevitable. It may come quickly. Know what? It'll be a BLESSING. If a Chicago or L.A. could stop paying for Israel's defense and Taiwan's defense and Georgia's defense and instead use it's formally D.C. designated wealth to pay for it's own schools and under funded pension liabilities we'll again be in boom times. After one chapter is finished another starts. I see Palin as the only secession minded realist in America......
Quote from BlindLemonBoosh:
Pa(b)st, the discussion of 'progressive taxation' is not limited to income taxes. In fact, I didn't impose this limitation in the post your referred to. That limitation was imposed by you. Dividends, cap gains, consumption, income... all could be taxed progressively.
Original Post: "Isn't it ironic that the same rich white guys that have handed the 'Joe Sixpack' talking point down to Sarah Palin vociferously rail against progressive taxation as being class warfare?"
The 2008 'Conservative' Agenda: Whisper sweet nothings to Joe6, then kick his ass to the curb after the election.
Quote from Mercor:
Thats a fair answer.
So lets look for a solution. The problem as you state is the weath gap. What is the cause of this? Education, access to capitol, IQ levels, luck, networking, contacts, regulation, minium wage, small business taxes, unions.
What NOone in this forum gets is that most of the aforementioned are what people do to avoid "work".
Thats why taxing wealth is fair game. I know its hard to admit. Its gotten to where people who "work" earn less income than people who ...network and the rest. Face it, the predatory nature of economic opportunity has to be addressed somehow.
Don't tell me ...you have a name for people who think that way.
I am going the route that the road to wealth is not through earning wages.
See above.
Aside from Education I don't see where more taxes will do much to change the hope for wealth.
Wealth? You're really out of touch oh aspirant of untold wealth. People are trying not to die this winter for what heating their homes is going to cost.