Overwhelming Majority Of Americans Support Gov't Health Care Even If Taxes Rise

Sorry, ive lived all over this country and 40% below the poverty line is complete hogwash created using BS political statistics.

Poverty in the USA means you own a car and live in a home. Poverty in other countries can mean you are nearly starving to death.

40% poverty? Ha. You would expect to tour the USA and see nearly half the population walking the streets begging for food. This is a complete joke.

Keep using funny numbers and you'll never make your case. Thats why the EU vs USA study is so important.

It doesnt use BS govt #'s like this but TANGIBLE comparisons, like homes, cars, TV's, etc.

Positive savings rate, debt, etc, is a PERSONAL choice, not something the govt. can control.

There is no point in comparing europeans that tend to save, to americans who tend to spend, because the govt has nothing to do with it.


I save like crazy, because I choose to.
So yes, it can be done in the USA too, not a govt problem.


You claim the US is headed in the terrible direction, but the statistics in the EU vs USA study show that the US is pulling further ahead of european countries!

The EU has the same problems as the USA, in regards to globalization, but its even worse, with their higher tax rates and govt. business choking rules and regulations.





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So the part I am stuck at is why you feel that this is the case for most of the country. It must be just one person who keeps running up consumer debt & subprime loans.

Oh wait, you were trying to counter my argument. Cause notating that 40% of America is living below the poverty line is cherry-picking. Nice one.

People do build wealth in Europe, you do realize they actually have a POSITIVE savings rate, unlike USA. Do you completely ignore the fact of the Euro strength? There is some wealth building right there, even if you are just sitting there getting handouts. Reverse is USA, where inflation is rampant and the USD is sinking.

California is not at all representative of USA. Ironically, California is notorious for filling up human storages with those no longer "economically viable" in the new economy. Might want to investigate the heavy lobbying behind "three strikes" rule.

10-20 years ago, US had the higher standard of living. Now that illusion is being kept up by consumer debt, statistics & paper pushing. This is the new America: weakening dollar, rampant inflation, shrinking wages and a deteriorating job base. You know, someone like you can argue about the great standard of living in USA, but you certainly can't argue about where it's headed.



Seriously, educate yourself about the many different European nations. You seem to have the impression that there are zero opportunities there. Even tiny nations like Cyprus have numerous opportunities which are no longer available here.
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Using wikipedia as a source for tax information is a joke. Any moron can enter whatever number he wants.

Here is a chart of effective taxes as a part of GDP for euro countries and the USA.
 

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Americans are so unhealthy simpel because they don't understand that food causes a lot of problems.
Food amde here in the USA is really bad. Americans don't prevent, they get sick and they try to fix it.
It's amazing how Americans spend so much money on diet pills which don't work, instead of going on diet and exersize.
It's not jus that McDonald's is bad, there are many other products that are bad, but very few know that or understand that.
 
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Well the founding fathers had no problem with slavery, women not being allowed to vote and the native Americans were not even considered humans by them. So spare me this propaganda BS about the founding fathers. They were not Jesus Christ and the 12 Apostles, quiet the contrary, a bunch of scared white lawyers, land and slave holders who were looking to get around from paying for the debts the kingdom occurred as a result of fighting the French Indian War and were pissed off that the British decided to halt the expansion to the Appalachia Mountains. Also, if you read any of the ideas that the founding fathers have you would notice that they disliked democracy, disliked the regular folk and wanted a weak government that would not ask much of them and in return would not provide services that they really did not need. So you are right the founding fathers would be against all the things you mentioned, because none of them would benefit from them so why have it. I would not call it patriotic but a cold calculation.
As for me packing up.... I was under the impression that discourse, freedom of speech and the marketplace of ideas were part of American scene. Do you only want people who think like you and act like you and have nothing but love and admiration for our government and leaders? Should I leave because I think differently than what Fox would like me to think??? Is this American???? I think that what you would like the US to become is another North Korea where everybody agrees that their leader is great and those who disagree with the status quo are not welcome in the society.
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Nope, Euro taxes are quite higher. Take a look at the previous chart. Our tax systems differ quite a bit, some countries pay VAT out the ass, etc, and other taxes we dont have in the states. Look at taxes as a percentage of GDP, where its harder to play funny with the numbers and becomes clear just how insanely high Euro taxes are.

Take a look at the chart, and remember, this study was done by the swedes.



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world#List_of_tax_rates_around_the_world

Looking at the above site, Europe's tax rates are not bad at all. I think the US has close to the highest rates in the world when you add in state and social security taxes, not to mention other taxes like sales and property taxes. Plus if you are self employed, you pay full cost of health insurance. If you are an employee, you may have to contribute partially.
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Cherry pick all you want, but I look around and see myself,

in a nice place
driving a nice car
debt free
with a huge pile of cash in the bank
eating great and healthy food in health conscience california
I work low hours
I have months of vacation a year
I have great health insurance with some of the best medical care in the world
live in a crime free area
have access to surfing, skiing, rock climbing, mountain biking, kite surfing, etc, all within short drives
im quite happy thank you very much
im not taxed to death for my hard work
and yes I have a 60" flat screen and an xbox 360 :D

So you see, and I can reverse cherry pick all day too and what does it prove?

In the end, the study is correct, americans do have more cars, washer/driers, bigger homes, blah blah blah, and are not taxed to death nearly as much as europeans.

Eating crap food, working long hours, huge debt, that all depends on the individual. In the usa, we have the freedom to be whatever we want without a stupid govt bearing down on us, stepping on our necks with a big black boot and never allowing us to accumulate any real wealth like in europe.

With euro tax rates, building wealth is so hard. Id just be an unemployed bum, go surf every day, collect my govt cheese, and let the slackers pay for my lazy ass :D

At least here, I can reap the rewards of my hard work and get to where I am today, cruising on easy street, stress free with financial security.
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Dude,

Your California lifestyle is made off the backs of illegal immigrants who get paid shit wages, can't afford healthcare, and live in poverty. Your consumer goods are produced in Asian sweat shops, and your country is running up a massive unsupportable debt as it try's to maintain control of it's energy sources. You are absolutely missing the forest for the trees here.
 
Quote from rateesquad:

^^^^^^^^ Totally Agree.

I do not support it. And I speak for a majority. LMAO.:p

I hate socialism......and this has soviet union written all over it.
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Shame on American!!!
You need to see other countries, especially in Japan and S.Korea. They have a great health insurance applying to every single person in their countries.

I do not know why it is so complicated to benefit more people in this country. Health comes first than any other things. Let's realize which one is a priority for people.
 
Stop spewing nonsense, I had the same lifestyle in at least 6 other states.

Im sick of this type of idiotic liberal propaganda. Is everyone brainwashed this easily??

As for asian sweat shops, are you going to tell me no EU countries import the very same shit??? Get real.

For the record, illegal immigrants *ARE ILLEGAL* they dont deserve a god damn thing, THEY ARE CRIMINALS, so cry me a river.



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Dude,

Your California lifestyle is made off the backs of illegal immigrants who get paid shit wages, can't afford healthcare, and live in poverty. Your consumer goods are produced in Asian sweat shops, and your country is running up a massive unsupportable debt as it try's to maintain control of it's energy sources. You are absolutely missing the forest for the trees here.
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Quote from traderdragon2:

Stop spewing nonsense, I had the same lifestyle in at least 6 other states.

Im sick of this type of idiotic liberal propaganda. Is everyone brainwashed this easily??

As for asian sweat shops, are you going to tell me no EU countries import the very same shit??? Get real.

For the record, illegal immigrants *ARE ILLEGAL* they dont deserve a god damn thing, THEY ARE CRIMINALS, so cry me a river.
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Let's see...

You argue that:

1. Because there might be less of it in other states that makes it OK.

and

2. The fact that other countries take advantage of it makes it OK as well.

and

3. Because they are here illegally that gives you the right to take advantage of them.


Yep... your moral character comes through loud and clear.
 
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