OVerus Christ-Centered Financial Ratings (Feedback Plz)

Frederick Foresight said:
Seeing as how religious conservatism and the Second Amendment seem to go hand in hand in the US, how do gun manufacturers fare in your rating scheme?
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All products and services are categorized into three mutually-exclusive groups: Acceptable, Debatable, and Ineligible.

Firearms are currently a Debatable product/service; like cigarettes, or alcohol. Products/services categorized as Debatable cannot be rated an A or B.
 
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kmiklas said:
Products and services are categorized into three mutually-exclusive groups that form the universe of all products and services: Acceptable, Debatable, and Ineligible.

Firearms are currently a Debatable product/service. Like cigarettes, or alcohol.
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Interesting. How is tobacco debatable? If used exactly as intended, it lowers the life expectancy of the smoker and those around him, while adding to healthcare costs that affect everyone. By way of example, what, then, would be ineligible?
 
Frederick Foresight said:
Interesting. How is tobacco debatable? If used exactly as intended, it lowers the life expectancy of the smoker and those around him, while adding to healthcare costs that affect everyone.
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One could argue whether a product that takes years off of its consumer's life should be on the market at all. Almost like arguing for Kosher cigarettes. It's debatable, as well as categorized "Debatable." :)

Frederick Foresight said:
By way of example, what, then, would be ineligible?
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Pornography, morning-after pill, contraception.
Reference Humanae Vitae, Saint Pope John Paul II.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/paul-v...ments/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae.html
 
kmiklas said:
One could argue whether a product that takes years off of its consumer's life should be on the market at all. Almost like arguing for Kosher cigarettes. It's debatable, as well as categorized "Debatable." :)


Pornography, morning-after pill, contraception.
Reference Humanae Vitae, Saint Pope John Paul II.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/paul-v...ments/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae.html
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So contraception is ineligible but tobacco is debatable. Fascinating. You don't want to prevent human life from being created but you're potentially okay with it then being systematically compromised and destroyed. So much for the sanctity of that life, eh? A self-correcting problem perhaps, given the planet's overpopulation? Apart from the burgeoning healthcare costs associated with the use of the "debatable" tobacco, of course; that'll just make it purgatory for the rest of us, I suppose.

What exactly does "debatable" mean in your context? How is the "debate" to be settled?

Please forgive my tone. I don't hold religion in high regard. I hope you can see why.
 
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Frederick Foresight said:
So contraception is ineligible but tobacco is debatable. Fascinating. You don't want to prevent human life from being created but you're okay with it then being systematically compromised and destroyed. So much for the sanctity of that life, eh? A self-correcting problem perhaps, given the planet's overpopulation? Apart from the burgeoning healthcare costs associated with the use of the "debatable" tobacco, of course; that'll just make it purgatory for the rest of us, I suppose.

What exactly does "debatable" mean in your context? How is the "debate" to be settled?

Please forgive my tone. I don't hold religion in high regard. I hope you can see why.
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Tone forgiven. As a Christian, forgiveness is my business. :p

Anyway, good question. This opinion is based on Church teachings; in this case, Humanae Vitae, and the Catechism. Regarding tobacco, the teaching here is moderation; use is distinguished from abuse:
2290 The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. Those incur grave guilt who, by drunkenness or a love of speed, endanger their own and others' safety on the road, at sea, or in the air.
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http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm

Regarding contraception, the Church teaching is that acts of sexual intercourse must be open to procreation.
The Church, nevertheless, in urging men to the observance of the precepts of the natural law, which it interprets by its constant doctrine, teaches that each and every marital act must of necessity retain its intrinsic relationship to the procreation of human life. (12)
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http://w2.vatican.va/content/paul-v...ments/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae.html

Forthwith, I am of the opinion that a "C" rating for tobacco, and an "F" rating for contraception are both accurate.

As for how the debate is settled? Well, as for OVerus ratings, when the rating correctly reflects the position of God on the issue. That will take some time and discussion, but we will get it right.
 
"If someone is caught kidnapping a fellow Israelite and treating or selling them as a slave, the kidnapper must die.A)' data-cr="#cen-NIV-5533A"> You must purge the evil from among you."

Very helpful.
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Deut: You are full of crap and so is this thread.
 
kmiklas said:
Forthwith, I am of the opinion that a "C" rating is correct for tobacco, and an "F" rating for contraception are accurate.
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Even though tobacco is far more deadly than had previously been believed? And even though the world is far too overpopulated, and there are countless children waiting to be adopted in part because their parents didn't have the presence of mind or the resources to use contraception? And how about rape and the morning-after pill?

I'm sensing a chasm between the spirit and the letter here.
kmiklas said:
As for how the debate is settled? Well, as for OVerus ratings, when the rating correctly reflects the position of God on the issue. That will take some time and discussion, but we will get it right.
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The Bible has been around for awhile. How many more lifetimes do you think it might take before you get it right? And I don't think God is adding any more nuance here, assuming for the moment that he ever did. So what is there left for interpretation and debate? Are you sure it doesn't come down to second-guessing and finessing "God's will" much like a child tries to play one parent against the other to get what he wants? Isn't that what has been done in the name of God since time immemorial?
 
Deuteronomy_24_7 said:
Rather than 'measure Christian worthiness', might be preferable to label your work 'measure Roman Catholic worthiness'.
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Yes, another good observation. Thank you :thumbsup: I'm striving for unity in this effort, and doing my best to steer clear of denominational divisions.

I'm taking a similar approach to the Orthodox Union (OU) version of Kosher; they don't distinguish among the different denominations of Judaism. They present their viewpoint as based on The Law, and don't get too much into different Jewish denominations and sects--but ultimately base their judgments on Orthodox tradition:
https://oukosher.org/
 
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