Our Next President

[Gord]

Quote from monty21:

Gord,

We obviously disagree about this subject... This debate could last forever

What debate. You have served up some Democrat talking point assertions and I have knocked them out of the park.

I felt like I provided a lot of evidence.

See? I knew you were a liberal - you do things by feelings.

You interpreted some of it the wrong way (thats my fault because of the way I wrote it). For example, I certainly do not advocate invading Saudia Arabia or Egypt. My point was that we are seemingly invading the "wrong" countries in this War termed as the "war on Terror". Furthermore, there is more evidence that the Saudi's had connections to the hijackers than Iraq did. So I'm sure we several of these misunderstandings.

Yes I agree, you don't write very well. And you don't read very well either.

Anyways, just do know that the U.S. government is occupying Iraq. Also realize that Iraq is completely unstable, because there are now 3 groups playing for power (more so just the Sunni's and Shittes).

Who wins a war and does not occupy? Of course it is unstable. Germany and Japan were unstable after WW2 - during the occupation. Duh!

Please realize that the world is now more dangerous because Anti-American sentiment has risen throughout the world, not just in the Middle East. Recruiting for radical groups such as Al Qaeda has increased.

More Democrat talking points - complete nonsense.

And please look over the history of the CIA in the past 50 years. One of those websites was very informative.

Yeah so the CIA did some bad things - that is not justification to condemn the vastly larger amount of good things the US does.

On the simpliest level, all I am trying to advocate is that we should change our foreign policy and stay out of other countries affairs.

There are two knids of countries in the world - those who want to get along with America and those who hold animosity toward her. When that animosity is displayed as overt actions against American interests or those of her allies, it is prudent foreign policy to pay attention to the matter.

I'm a Republican because I support a free market and am against a welfare state.

You are a liberal - a whiney, ignorant liberal as SteveD pointed out.

Also, the Democrats have traditionally brought us into war. IMO, Bush horribly represents the Republican Party. He has tried to lower taxes, but he is spending like crazy. His spending is more than any other president, and this better resembles a Democrat. Still, the most important point that I would like to address is that our current foreign policy is failing. No more American lives, or lives of any human beings should be sacrified in pursuit of such a unneccesary path.

Typical liberal - lose the argument, so then go on a Bush bashing rant to deflect the discussion...

 

[monty21]

I guess this conversation now turned to you trying to prove that I am a liberal or whatever. Im a moderate-conservative in my view, but you can call me a liberal if you want. That doesn't bother me at all.

You should probably also define the term liberal. If conservative solely means to maintain the status quo, and liberal means to make several changes/improvements in the system, then I would certainly be a liberal.

Like I said, my conservative views are basically derived from me believing that the federal government should remain small. Thats what conservatism is all about... a limited federal gov't,

The way you describe it, a conservative cannot be against the war. Maybe I am one of those hicks, driving a American pick up truck, who thinks it is unpatriotic to not support the war. Am I not supporting the troops by asking for them to come home and live amongst their family and friends instead of fighting an enemy that had nothing to do with 9/11?

You seem to believe that liberal has a negative connotation. I don't think it does, it is just a different ideology. Furthermore, we do practice liberalism.

BTW, im in my senior year at college. My major is political science and I minor in International relations.

 

[monty21]

BTW Bush is a horrible president, no denying that. He best served the Christian right and several corporate titans.

 

[monty21]

Quote from Gord:

Who wins a war and does not occupy? Of course it is unstable. Germany and Japan were unstable after WW2 - during the occupation. Duh!

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Are you retarded? Any war in which one country attempts to invade another one, and the defensive country wins, they generally don't invade the other country back.

When we gained independence from Great Britain, we surely did not occupy and raid London.

 

[Gord]

Quote from monty21:

I guess this conversation now turned to you trying to prove that I am a liberal or whatever. Im a moderate-conservative in my view, but you can call me a liberal if you want. That doesn't bother me at all.

You should probably also define the term liberal. If conservative solely means to maintain the status quo, and liberal means to make several changes/improvements in the system, then I would certainly be a liberal.

Like I said, my conservative views are basically derived from me believing that the federal government should remain small. Thats what conservatism is all about... a limited federal gov't,

The way you describe it, a conservative cannot be against the war. Maybe I am one of those hicks, driving a American pick up truck, who thinks it is unpatriotic to not support the war. Am I not supporting the troops by asking for them to come home and live amongst their family and friends instead of fighting an enemy that had nothing to do with 9/11?

You seem to believe that liberal has a negative connotation. I don't think it does, it is just a different ideology. Furthermore, we do practice liberalism.

BTW, im in my senior year at college. My major is political science and I minor in International relations.

I call 'em as I see 'em. You come here making a bunch of liberal assertions, then you are a contemporary liberal. You illustrate your naivete when you think it is just a "different ideology". For a senior with a major in political science and minor in international relations you are frightenly misinformed, and even scarier, you "feel" you are informed...

 

[Gord]

Quote from monty21:

BTW Bush is a horrible president, no denying that. He best served the Christian right and several corporate titans.

He has done some good things and some bad things - but I know we would never agree on which is which.

 

[Gord]

Quote from monty21:

Are you retarded? Any war in which one country attempts to invade another one, and the defensive country wins, they generally don't invade the other country back.

When we gained independence from Great Britain, we surely did not occupy and raid London.

So, were you born naturally stupid, or do you have to really work at it...

 

[monty21]

Quote from Gord:

I call 'em as I see 'em. You come here making a bunch of liberal assertions, then you are a contemporary liberal. You illustrate your naivete when you think it is just a "different ideology". For a senior with a major in political science and minor in international relations you are frightenly misinformed, and even scarier, you "feel" you are informed...

I guess you get all your news from FOX

 

[Gord]

Quote from monty21:

I guess you get all your news from FOX

A typical liberal response. I don't even have Fox news. I read on the internet. I read everything from the NY Times and the Huffington Post to the NY Sun and National review. I read current events and I search out old documents. I read news and I read research papers. I see all sides. And I see through ashamed liberals in a minute...

 

[Yannis]

Monty,

I don't mean to offend you but you seem like an interesting kid who, unfortunately, is picking a few bad habits by some characters on this board. My advice is that you stick to your studies for a few more years, and when you have more experience on how to research, think through and express properly a political argument, come back, we'll still be here.