Our moral culpability for Qana

ZZZzzzzzzz · Aug 3, 2006

Quote from hapaboy:

So, did this happen today?

Zzzztroll's senility has reached the point where he repeats himself even when he doesn't want to!

Either that or he's on his 4th round of tequila and prune juice shots.

ROFLMAO!

hapaboy · Aug 3, 2006

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Sobriety is impossible...sobriety is impossible...

ZZZzzzzzzz · Aug 3, 2006

The killing on both sides seems much like a sporting event to both sides...as they gleefully kill each other

The point is that rules are followed in sports, or an infaction, penalty is dispensed by a ref.

With Israel and their opponents, neither side will allow rules to be enforced by any outside entity...there an no penalties but needless senseless killing of innocents.

It is all self righteousness, and rationalization of war crimes on both sides...nothing at all that a civilized world can embrace.

The two wrongs make it right philosophy lives on both sides of the conflict.

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

So you equate having rockets fired indiscriminately into Israel and soldiers kidnapped and killed as a sports infraction? At least in sports, there is a referee to maintain order and punish infractions. You seem to expect Israel just to sit there and take it. Now in fairness, that seems to be the unstated rationale of al CNN and the rest of the media, but it is a weak argument. No government can be expected to ignore acts of war inflicted upon it.

Dershowitz' analogy is weak as well. Lebanon is hardly an innocent bank customer. Did they appeal to the US or UN to remove Hezhbollah? Did they even try to clamp down on them? Did they tell the Israelis not to invade, that their own army would disarm Hezbollah?

ZZZzzzzzzz · Aug 3, 2006

Quote from hapaboy:

Sobriety is impossible...sobriety is impossible...

hapaboy · Aug 3, 2006

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

The killing on both sides seems much like a sporting event to both sides...as they gleefully kill each other

The point is that rules are followed in sports, or an infaction, penalty is dispensed by a ref.

With Israel and their opponents, neither side will allow rules to be enforced by any outside entity...there an no penalties but needless senseless killing of innocents.

It is all self righteousness, and rationalization of war crimes on both sides...nothing at all that a civilized world can embrace.

The two wrongs make it right philosophy lives on both sides of the conflict.

And your grand plan to resolve this is....

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ZZZzzzzzzz · Aug 3, 2006

Quote from hapaboy:

And your grand plan to resolve this is....

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claywilk · Aug 3, 2006

What would you two ever do without one another? I think it's sweet!

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hapaboy · Aug 3, 2006

Quote from claywilk:

What would you two ever do without one another? I think it's sweet!

Sorry, I don't swap spit with senior citizens, especially senile ones...

WAEL012000 · Aug 3, 2006

Quote from hapaboy:

I'm sure that made you feel good writing it, but it's still bullshit. I'm as racist and fascist as you are objective.

You are not a raciest and Fascist?? All I have to do is go back and read you some of your posts.

Anyway!

So just address the issue: What did you mean when you said that Hezbollah was doing the world a favor in trying to eliminate the zionists so the rest of the world could live in peace? If you really believe that, you're more ignorant than I thought, which has you maxing out the ignorance scale...

You have a serious attitude problem hapaboy, you could've asked this question in a better manner. Instead, you figured that everyone should come running and submit to your instructions of answering your questions.

Try to work on that for your own sake.

I will still answer your question.

First of all, I did not say I want to eliminate zionists, I said we are fighting them and by that I mean fighting this ideology and the people who are behind it. If you would've bothered to read the rest of the sentence, you would've understood me better.

You have a serious problem buddy. You think that, according to the way you were bred and raised in your Ultra rightwing school that any rejection of the zionist ideology should be confronted. After all, this is the proper political stand in your school of thinking.

Except, it seems that you are a newbie at that. Any experienced veteran in that school would've read his opponent's statement thoroughly and then answered accordingly. Instead, you rushed head on swinging aimlessly thinking that such charge would appease your your fellow right wingers.

Try to work on that too.

FanOfFridays · Aug 3, 2006

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

His analogy was that a bank robber who grabs a hostage to use as a shield, against their will, is obviously in the wrong, if that hostage is shot by a police officer, the bank robber is held culpable for the crime.

What Dershowitz failed to mention of course, is that the cop has to show that his firing at the bank robber was absolutely necessary. There is an inquiry whenever there is a shooting, and the cop has to show that he had no option but to shoot.

Hey!! Wait a minute here. This analogy doesn't work, unless you include the caveat that the bank robber is a known murderer who has just killed a bunch of people. If that is the case (as it is here), are you seriously saying that the cops would have to show that they had 'no option' but to shoot?

And even if the bank robber hadn't just killed a bunch of people, I still say huh???? If a bank robber grabs a hostage and puts a gun to her temple and drags her off, that is it, man!!! The guy is in forfeit, complete forfeit. He has forfeited his right to life at that point, has he not? The cops are supposed to do what, wait until they can run his facial expressions, stance, age, priors, handedness, serotonin levels, weight, height, grade 4 aptitude test results and his breakfast that morning through a computer program in order to come up with a % likelihood that he is going to kill the hostage, before they can use lethal force to end the situation??

Jesus Christ, Z, I am all for innocent until proven guilty but where is the line?? Is there not a line somewhere??

This analogy is crap.