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Our moral culpability for Qana
- Thread starter ZZZzzzzzzz
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I'm sure that made you feel good writing it, but it's still bullshit. I'm as racist and fascist as you are objective.Quote from WAEL012000:
Yeah you are right...Peace!!
And I know that I tend to make funny statements every once in a while...
Who is talking about the elimination of the state of Israel? Unlike you, and I've read some of your filthy and raciest posts and replies, I look at people as...Well... people! I believe that the Jewish people are as much victims of this raciest ideology as we are but knowing you from your posts, I am not surprised that you share the same underwear as dddooo when it comes to his ideology.
It is due to the fact that you have a common denominator with dddooo...racism and fascism.
Now go back to your Jihadi Watch, I am sure that they will know more than the Lebanese Christians who are standing behind this party from the president of Lebanon to Al Maradah Party to Aoun "Al Tayyar Al Hur" party.
Take care
So just address the issue: What did you mean when you said that Hezbollah was doing the world a favor in trying to eliminate the zionists so the rest of the world could live in peace? If you really believe that, you're more ignorant than I thought, which has you maxing out the ignorance scale...
Alan Dershowitz was making an appearance today, and tried to make an anology today.
His analogy was that a bank robber who grabs a hostage to use as a shield, against their will, is obviously in the wrong, if that hostage is shot by a police officer, the bank robber is held culpable for the crime.
What Dershowitz failed to mention of course, is that the cop has to show that his firing at the bank robber was absolutely necessary. There is an inquiry whenever there is a shooting, and the cop has to show that he had no option but to shoot.
The issue that many who have an open mind viewing this situation observe, is that while Hezebollah is wrong in their indiscriminate bombing of Israel, Israel's claim that they have no choice but to do what their doing doesn't ring true. I fully believe there are war crimes on both sides of this conflict, but neither side will yield themselves to outside judgment, and the US is so influence by neocon thinking, that the US won't act as a moderating force, which is really what we need in the Middle East.
Their bombing is a choice, and the funding by the US is a choice, and with no review board examining those choices that Israel makes, with the "mistakes" that are made, the history, etc., it raises doubts.
I know most people at ET prefer an all or nothing view, that Israel is 100% right, and Hezbollah is 100% wrong, but life really isn't that simple.
As I have stated before, in sports, it doesn't matter if someone threw the first punch, the retaliation punch is still an infraction.
I think Israel is presently being exposed for heavy handed methods, which in the past were largely overlooked and supported by Americans, but are now coming into question by many in the world.
Unfortunately for Israel, America has burned lots of bridges and engendered hatred worldwide due to Bush's self righteous cowboy diplomacy at use of force before the use of real diplomatic and political solutions.
As such, observers who see the same neocons who blindly went into Iraq, having the same knee jerk reaction of support of Israel and funding the war efforts, are suspicious and doubtful of the motives and agenda.
Israel will no doubt with the battle for Lebanon and push back Hezbollah, but they are losing the PR was both in the middle east with the moderate Muslims, and here at home with many who in the past would have defended Israel's actions without a second thought....
His analogy was that a bank robber who grabs a hostage to use as a shield, against their will, is obviously in the wrong, if that hostage is shot by a police officer, the bank robber is held culpable for the crime.
What Dershowitz failed to mention of course, is that the cop has to show that his firing at the bank robber was absolutely necessary. There is an inquiry whenever there is a shooting, and the cop has to show that he had no option but to shoot.
The issue that many who have an open mind viewing this situation observe, is that while Hezebollah is wrong in their indiscriminate bombing of Israel, Israel's claim that they have no choice but to do what their doing doesn't ring true. I fully believe there are war crimes on both sides of this conflict, but neither side will yield themselves to outside judgment, and the US is so influence by neocon thinking, that the US won't act as a moderating force, which is really what we need in the Middle East.
Their bombing is a choice, and the funding by the US is a choice, and with no review board examining those choices that Israel makes, with the "mistakes" that are made, the history, etc., it raises doubts.
I know most people at ET prefer an all or nothing view, that Israel is 100% right, and Hezbollah is 100% wrong, but life really isn't that simple.
As I have stated before, in sports, it doesn't matter if someone threw the first punch, the retaliation punch is still an infraction.
I think Israel is presently being exposed for heavy handed methods, which in the past were largely overlooked and supported by Americans, but are now coming into question by many in the world.
Unfortunately for Israel, America has burned lots of bridges and engendered hatred worldwide due to Bush's self righteous cowboy diplomacy at use of force before the use of real diplomatic and political solutions.
As such, observers who see the same neocons who blindly went into Iraq, having the same knee jerk reaction of support of Israel and funding the war efforts, are suspicious and doubtful of the motives and agenda.
Israel will no doubt with the battle for Lebanon and push back Hezbollah, but they are losing the PR was both in the middle east with the moderate Muslims, and here at home with many who in the past would have defended Israel's actions without a second thought....
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
Anytime I disagree with Pat Buchanan, I think long and hard about it, because he is seldom wrong and is usually ahead of the curve. I think he has some valid points regarding the general issue of Israel, and I am quite sure he carries scars from his battles with them and their lobby during his service in the Nixon administration.
The point I think he has wrong though is his belief that Hezbollah is some kind of occupying force that the vast majority of Lebanese oppose. In fact, I think most Lebanese, even the Christians, look at Hezbollah as heroes that forced an end to the Israeli occupation of Lebanon and carry on the struggle today. I watched PBS News HOur tonight and they interviewed a lot of American Lebanese. Not one of them condemned Hezbollah, and several went out of their way to say how much the Lebanese admire them. They talked about Hezbollah as though they were maybe the local Jaycees, only with long range rockets.
It is surreal that people actually think you can have a terrorist army living openly in your country, have them as part of the elected government (Hezbollah have two Ministers in the "democratic" Lebanese government that we support), yet there are no consequences when they commit acts of war toward a neighboring country.
To me its an obvious point, but the media seem to ignore it. If you fire rockets into another country from civilian areas, what is the other country supposed to do? Just take it because they might injure some civilians if they retaliate? Was that the way we fought WW II? It's great for arm chair moralists like Koffi Annan to lecture Israel, but is it more moral for Israel to send its soldiers in to be killed in urban ambushes, just to spare civilians who are being used as shields? The ugly fact is that most of those civilian support Hezbollah. We are talking about people who don;t mind strapping bombs on their children and sending them into an Israel pizza parlor.
All this talk of "proportionality" is really just a complaint that it is somehow unfair that Israel's weapons are more accurate than Hezbollah's Iranian rockets. If Hezbollah was inflicting massive civilian casualties on israel, I doubt very much we would be hearing those complaints, certainly not from the UN.
The people who bear the complete moral responsibility for Qana are Hezbollah.
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Alan Dershowitz was making an appearance today, and tried to make an anology today.
His analogy was that a bank robber who grabs a hostage to use as a shield, against their will, is obviously in the wrong, if that hostage is shot by a police officer, the bank robber is held culpable for the crime.
What Dershowitz failed to mention of course, is that the cop has to show that his firing at the bank robber was absolutely necessary. There is an inquiry whenever there is a shooting, and the cop has to show that he had no option but to shoot.
The issue that many who have an open mind viewing this situation observe, is that while Hezebollah is wrong in their indiscriminate bombing of Israel, Israel's claim that they have no choice but to do what their doing doesn't ring true. I fully believe there are war crimes on both sides of this conflict, but neither side will yield themselves to outside judgment, and the US is so influence by neocon thinking, that the US won't act as a moderating force, which is really what we need in the Middle East.
Their bombing is a choice, and the funding by the US is a choice, and with no review board examining those choices that Israel makes, with the "mistakes" that are made, the history, etc., it raises doubts.
I know most people at ET prefer an all or nothing view, that Israel is 100% right, and Hezbollah is 100% wrong, but life really isn't that simple.
As I have stated before, in sports, it doesn't matter if someone threw the first punch, the retaliation punch is still an infraction.
I think Israel is presently being exposed for heavy handed methods, which in the past were largely overlooked and supported by Americans, but are now coming into question by many in the world.
Unfortunately for Israel, America has burned lots of bridges and engendered hatred worldwide due to Bush's self righteous cowboy diplomacy at use of force before the use of real diplomatic and political solutions.
As such, observers who see the same neocons who blindly went into Iraq, having the same knee jerk reaction of support of Israel and funding the war efforts, are suspicious and doubtful of the motives and agenda.
Israel will no doubt with the battle for Lebanon and push back Hezbollah, but they are losing the PR was both in the middle east with the moderate Muslims, and here at home with many who in the past would have defended Israel's actions without a second thought....
So you equate having rockets fired indiscriminately into Israel and soldiers kidnapped and killed as a sports infraction? At least in sports, there is a referee to maintain order and punish infractions. You seem to expect Israel just to sit there and take it. Now in fairness, that seems to be the unstated rationale of al CNN and the rest of the media, but it is a weak argument. No government can be expected to ignore acts of war inflicted upon it.
Dershowitz' analogy is weak as well. Lebanon is hardly an innocent bank customer. Did they appeal to the US or UN to remove Hezhbollah? Did they even try to clamp down on them? Did they tell the Israelis not to invade, that their own army would disarm Hezbollah?
So, did this happen today?Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
Alan Dershowitz was making an appearance today, and tried to make an anology today.
Zzzztroll's senility has reached the point where he repeats himself even when he doesn't want to!
Either that or he's on his 4th round of tequila and prune juice shots.
ROFLMAO!