Our corrupt moronic "leader"

Originally posted by Babak
Please keep this and other conversations civil. Let us discuss differing ideas in an environment of goodwill rather than hostility. Thank you. :)
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Thanks babak....I agree.

Take chas and I - a couple weeks ago we were ready to kill each other, but now it's more interesting for us to get along and debate anything to our fullest. Chas is a smart guy and I'm not going to come out and call him an idiot. I'll call bush an idiot, and chas may take issue with that, but we're no fasterpussycats here and we respect each other. Both bush and gore respect our rights to criticize them, too. It's part of their job to take our abuse and criticism.

I don't care if you write "gore is a big stinky idiot" or "hilary chokes on ...." - whatever. In fact, I strongly urge you to do so if that is how you feel. I think it was legit for me to say bush is a moron, and the point of a "debate" is for someone else to retort that gore or clinton or whoever is a moron, too.

Some of these chit chat threads are turning out to be really interesting debates and they will get deleted or killed if ET members start attacking each other...just my .02...
 
Originally posted by chasinfla
Bungola, it might help if you knew what the country was <i>intended</i> to be, instead of what it's become. What it could be, is supposed to, what the Constitution is crying out for us to be. Then you'd quit complaining about 'America' and start attacking the real problem.

Your remark about 'religion' and 'freethinkers' is interesting. It seems to imply that one can't freely choose to be religious. Is that what you mean? It happens, you know.

It is a complex mental prison that must be constructed and maintained to deny God. It is Jesus who said, "I came to set the captives free."

O by the way, the freeest thinkers there are always seem to wind up thinking about God...right now Galileo comes to mind...Einstein....Don't think one get's more radical than Jesus, either....

And no, my friend, the US will always be remembered as a great nation, perhaps the greatest that ever was.
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that's one tall order, chas baby...

let's not forget that our nation was founded by a bunch of anarchists that were fed up with the british. we are a bunch of muts, rejects, and entrepreneurs, and i am proud of that. the problem is that now we think we're something else - it's human nature for the victim to eventually strive to become their enemy - so we've gone from being freedom hunters to imperialists.

i think this country is great, but i think freedom is even greater.

as for choosing to become religious or not, the problem is not that our constitution doesn't guarantee sufficient freedom, it's that the working branch of our government is composed of white, middle-class, christians who consider their choices to be right for everybody. thus there is an inherent bias concerning what is "freedom" and what is not. "freedoms" that should be protected are those that agree with the judeo-christian moral code.

here's a better example of what i'm referring to, one that we should be all familiar with - the PDT rule. sure, it's unconstitutional and unfair, but the majority of the public (again, this is the group of people that makes up the working branch of govt designed to ensure that our freedoms are realized) thinks "DAYTRADING IS BAD. THESE BASTARDS TOOK MY MONEY." and so on, so there is no real effort to ensure that those of us who wish to daytrade are allowed to do so.

as for einstein, he eventually invented his own religion. if that isn't a case for my argument, i don't know what is....but please chas - start a new thread if you want to re-open this can of worms.
 
bung, I'm starting to like you, but the best line on this thread belongs to crack "when I'm more intelligent than the president, something is seriously wrong"

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When the WTC was attacked I was glad Bush was president and not Gore and especially not Bill and Hillary. As time has passed I think he is a good war time president who has guts and the ability to work within the confines of a democracy. No time now for a wimpy, immoral, political type leader.
 
bung, im sorry. i can't do your thing justice there, so I'll cop out and take the last line. Einstein said, "God does not play dice with the universe." Newton wrote two books on the prophetic scriptures in Daniel and Revelation.

One of these days maybe I'll track down and assemble in one place the testimonies of faith by other true contributors to the benefit of the mankind.
 
Originally posted by peter77
bung, I'm starting to like you, but the best line on this thread belongs to crack "when I'm more intelligent than the president, something is seriously wrong"

lol
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welp, what else would you expect an arrogant and irreverent people to think?

and try this thesis:

If leadership skills are proportional to IQ, why are so many bright people failures? As if IQ is the key to character? NOT.

"Knowledge puffs up."

The best leader need not be the one with the highest IQ. The best leader has the best developed character (you might substitute backbone here, and not lose too much of the meaning).

Communication skills and a genuine compassion for people are certainly to be desired more than raw iq.

Can you imagine a draft dodger leading a nation in wartime. Wretch. We sure dodged a bullet there.

This is an expression of humanism, that more smarts and more gadgets are what we need. What crap.

You had every starry eyed geek and every whiz bang gadget at your disposal, and children still carried guns into their classrooms and slaughtered their fellows for f***ing fun.

All the while, Robert Rubin's mates were telling you that the old things were passed away, and that the future was infinite, so, buy, buy, buy! And the cult leader dazzled the people with his 'charm,' and nodded and winked. While you were buying thier vision, guess whose shares you were buying?

I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that the clinton presidency was the biggest Ponzi scheme in memory.

(Even a child, if trained properly, knows right from wrong. Dogs, too, for that matter.)
 
and hey, the dupes are in goooood company. to wit:

. Steinhardt, among an army of credulous people, befriends Bill Clinton as the up and coming governor of Arkansas. In fact, his financial support helps Clinton become a national figure and ultimately helps him achieve the presidency. Steinhardt also tells us about his transition from a somewhat Conservative Republican (he voted for Goldwater in 1964) to a middle of the road Democrat. He becomes a trusted adviser to the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), which helped Clinton in 1992 by making the case the Democrats had moved to the center of the political spectrum and should no longer be seen as radical elites who were out of touch with the average American. <b>Once elected, Steinhardt and others at the DLC complain that Clinton ignored them. They believe that he ignored the moderate principles he claimed to avow when running. Clinton, Steinhardt complains, seemed to want to be everything to everyone. "Indeed, I came to believe that Clinton did not have a consistent philosophic center." (page 215). Translation: Our former president told lies.</b> No, kidding! Clinton is a career pol. What did Steinhardt expect? Honesty? Consistency? A man of rectitude who abhorred lying in any form? My point is that Steinhardt, a master of the universe in hedge funds, wouldn't have been taken in by money management mountebanks, yet he was easy pickings for the likes of Bill Clinton and other such politicos.
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<a href="http://www.tradersmagazine.com/articledetail.cfm?mag_id=1&aid=1112&year=2002">Source.</a>
 
Chasinfla wrote: "Can you imagine a draft dodger leading a nation in wartime. Wretch. We sure dodged a bullet there."

Well if you call Clinton a dodger then you have to call Bush one too.
 
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