Oregon shooter said to have singled out Christians for killing in ‘horrific act of cowardice’

ROSEBURG, Ore. — The fourth day of the fall term was underway when bullets tore into the classrooms of Umpqua Community College, adding that tranquil timber town to the grim roster of places whose histories are now permanently cast in terms of “before” and “after.”

Officials said that nine victims were killed, plus the gunman. And at least 10 others were admited for treatement at the Mercy Medical Center, said the chief medical officer, Jason Gray, on Friday. Three patients were transferred to larger facilities for more intensive care, he added.

“The days and weeks ahead will be the most challenging” as the small community copes with the aftermath, Gray said.

The names of those killed and wounded were not yet released nor would Douglas County Sheriff John Hanlin name the shooter publicly, more out of rage than discretion. “I will not name the shooter,” he said at a news conference Thursday night. “I will not give him credit for this horrific act of cowardice. Media will get the name confirmed in time … but you will never hear us use it.”

The transition from the anonymity of “before” to the notoriety of “after” took just about 10 terrifying minutes, during which the alleged shooter — identified by a U.S. law enforcement official as Chris Harper Mercer — strode through a school building armed with three pistols and a semiautomatic rifle. Clad in a dark shirt and jeans, driven by a motive that’s still unknown, he methodically spewed bullets into classrooms full of students, who hid behind desks and desperately tried to block doors that didn’t lock.

In one classroom, he appeared to single out Christian students for killing, according to witness Anastasia Boylan.

“He said, ‘Good, because you’re a Christian, you’re going to see God in just about one second,'” Boylan’s father, Stacy, told CNN, relaying his daughter’s account while she underwent surgery to treat a gunshot to her spine.

“And then he shot and killed them.”

Another account came from Autumn Vicari, who described to NBC News what her brother J.J. witnessed in the room where the shootings occurred. According to NBC: “Vicari said at one point the shooter told people to stand up before asking whether they were Christian or not. Vicari’s brother told her that anyone who responded ‘yes’ was shot in the head. If they said ‘other’ or didn’t answer, they were shot elsewhere in the body, usually the leg.”

The violence stopped only after authorities exchanged gunfire with Mercer. At 10:47 a.m. local time Thursday, the end was announced over the police scanner: The suspect was down.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/break...of-cowardice’/ar-AAf2dui?li=AAa0dzB&ocid=iehp
 
From the news reports, it appeared the gunman hated ALL organized religions. So identifying as a Christian, Jew, Muslim, etc. was all the wrong answer in the gunman's twisted mind.
 
I know this will sound cold and I mean no disrespect to the victims, who were no doubt frozen in fear. But, as we learned on 9/11, the only thing to do in that situation is to attack. You had a classroom full of people and one guy with a gun who was methodically killing them. If one or two guys could have gotten on him and held his arm, the rest could have swarmed him. And hopefully killed him on the spot.

The other thing I have a problem with is the apparently instinctive "lockdown" reaction by the schools. Wouldn't it be better to turn the targets loose and let them run for it, rather than gathering them together for a mass slaughter if he manages to breach the door?

Students should be taught in that situation, start throwing everything at hand, eg books ,computers, chairs, whatever, at the shooter and attack him. I fully realize this is at odds with the prevailing advice to never fight back against criminals, but I think it's time to move on to Plan B. Plan A is getting a lot of people killed needlessly.
 
I know this will sound cold and I mean no disrespect to the victims, who were no doubt frozen in fear. But, as we learned on 9/11, the only thing to do in that situation is to attack. You had a classroom full of people and one guy with a gun who was methodically killing them. If one or two guys could have gotten on him and held his arm, the rest could have swarmed him. And hopefully killed him on the spot.

The other thing I have a problem with is the apparently instinctive "lockdown" reaction by the schools. Wouldn't it be better to turn the targets loose and let them run for it, rather than gathering them together for a mass slaughter if he manages to breach the door?

Students should be taught in that situation, start throwing everything at hand, eg books ,computers, chairs, whatever, at the shooter and attack him. I fully realize this is at odds with the prevailing advice to never fight back against criminals, but I think it's time to move on to Plan B. Plan A is getting a lot of people killed needlessly.
I heard Plan B is "more guns, everywhere".
 
We live in a culture that glorifies violence. No western culture does this like we do. We are on par with radical Islam when it comes to glorifying violence. That is the root cause and changing this will be extremely difficult which is why the root cause doesn't get serious attention. Armed guards, banning guns, more laws, all easy go to talking points that will not do much to address the real problem.
The soul, for lack of a better term and having no religious connotation in this regard, the soul of America is sick. We have lost our faith in government, our educational system, our economic system, our justice system. In such an environment, the sickest among us will act out in violent ways. I'm afraid when it comes to being confronted in such situations, it's every man for himself.
 
We live in a culture that glorifies violence. No western culture does this like we do. We are on par with radical Islam when it comes to glorifying violence. That is the root cause and changing this will be extremely difficult which is why the root cause doesn't get serious attention. Armed guards, banning guns, more laws, all easy go to talking points that will not do much to address the real problem.
The soul, for lack of a better term and having no religious connotation in this regard, the soul of America is sick. We have lost our faith in government, our educational system, our economic system, our justice system. In such an environment, the sickest among us will act out in violent ways. I'm afraid when it comes to being confronted in such situations, it's every man for himself.
The background sickness has always been with us (it is the terror of mortality). The internet spreads and amplifies it. So far there is no online immune system.

Think of the internet as a great big new brain, which has not yet learned the habit of positive thinking, much less how to meditate.
 
Looks like one guy did try to rush the shooter, and got shot 7 times, but he is suppoosed to live, ex military guy too, this guys a true hero.



Oregon Shooting: 'Heroic' Veteran Chris Mintz Was Shot 7 Times

At least one student fought back during the shooting at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College, attacking the shooter to try to save himself and his classmates.

30-year-old Army veteran Chris Mintz was shot seven times while rushing the shooter. As he lay bleeding, witnesses say he kept saying over and over “It’s my son’s birthday, it’s my son’s birthday.” His son Tyrik turned six Thursday.

Despite his injuries, Mintz was rushed to the hospital and is in stable condition. “From what I’m hearing, he’s fine,” his cousin told the Daily Beast. “But he’s going to have to learn to walk again.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/heroic-veteran-shot-seven-times-trying-to-stop-oregon-shooter/

 
I know this will sound cold and I mean no disrespect to the victims, who were no doubt frozen in fear. But, as we learned on 9/11, the only thing to do in that situation is to attack. You had a classroom full of people and one guy with a gun who was methodically killing them. If one or two guys could have gotten on him and held his arm, the rest could have swarmed him. And hopefully killed him on the spot.

The other thing I have a problem with is the apparently instinctive "lockdown" reaction by the schools. Wouldn't it be better to turn the targets loose and let them run for it, rather than gathering them together for a mass slaughter if he manages to breach the door?

Students should be taught in that situation, start throwing everything at hand, eg books ,computers, chairs, whatever, at the shooter and attack him. I fully realize this is at odds with the prevailing advice to never fight back against criminals, but I think it's time to move on to Plan B. Plan A is getting a lot of people killed needlessly.

This is sort of interesting in context in changes to lock-down polcies in K-12 schools in our state.

My daughter is a middle grades teacher. In past years when a school was locked down due to an active shooter the policy was to close the door, keep everyone quiet and passively submit to the gunman's demands.

This year the policy was changed to being that if you encountered a gunman all staff and students should throw objects (chairs, computers, etc. ) at the gunman and rush the shooter.

They hold lock-down drills that go over this about once every two months.
 
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