Optionsellers.com goes bust and the apology video is painful to watch

"1. Will there be some type of fee credit to my account?
While this was our original intention, the debit situation with FC Stone has taken this option off the table. The figure on your account statement today is the FINAL figure for a debit call.

2. How, when and where should I address my debit call?
All debits should be paid directly to FC Stone in the most timely manner possible. Questions on debit calls should be directed to FC Stone at the number on your notice. If you have already paid your debit call then please disregard.

3. How do I pay a debit inside of an IRA account?
We have not been advised how to answer this question and refer you to FC Stone."


The ol' passing-the-buck routine. Guy is laughing his ass off way all the way to the bank on this.

His heartfelt video looked as sincere as Kavanaugh. Now Kavanaugh is all happy and smiles, because he has secured a federal salary that can never be taken away. Like this guy.

And someone above mentioned all the "clients" he spoke about in that video, about how he wouldn't be able to go sailing and fishing...Yeah, I noticed it also. There was something off about that.

This guy is going to vanish into the mists of history, and will start another firm in the intermediate future. He's gonna' think...Hey, other hedge fund managers lose clients' life savings and never have to pay, and get more clients later on...Why can't I?
 
Certainly allowing naked calls is utterly irresponsible - I didn't think it was legal, but apparently it is legal to have naked options on futures (although you cannot have naked options on stocks). He told us it was only uneducated people who say risk is unlimited because it can ALWAYS be managed ... right. His book focused on vertical spreads which would have prevented this.

The ONLY reason we went with him was because of his total focus on risk control (in conversations, his book, and literature). Most of his clients were looking for MORE safety through diversification - not huge payoffs. He said he NEVER swung for triples or home runs, rather focused on consistent singles. I wasn't breathing down his neck because I trusted he was the "professional" who knew much more than I and would deliver on his promises.
Sorry that you have to go thru this but what an institutional investor would have done off the bat would first review his audited financial statements and his annual returns. Then scrutinize the deviations in returns etc. Also many other due dillagence steps but that’s another conversation.
 
But then how is this in my own personal account? If the options dude has POA over my account, I would want to see the trade in my account, not some average number. If I have to take full responsibility for all these trades in my own account, then my account should have each trade with a clear entry and exit along with the routing number. Not that it matters what I think mind you, but if someone is said to be trading my account and I'm responsible and the broker says its all my fault, then I think what I say should apply.

So the RIA will buy 1000 contracts for an average price of 1.523. He has five clients and prorates the quantities across the accounts but they all get the same price. It’s still your account and you own the position but it makes the executions fair. Otherwise he can give the most favorable executions to his most favored clients.
 
So the RIA will buy 1000 contracts for an average price of 1.523. He has five clients and prorates the quantities across the accounts but they all get the same price. It’s still your account and you own the position but it makes the executions fair. Otherwise he can give the most favorable executions to his most favored clients.
To be honest, I'm not sure if this is even possible (but its not like I know anything). I would imagine that if some guy is trading my account, each fill has to already match some account, either mine or someone else's. How can you prorate a fill across multiple accounts when the trade has already happened in a clients account? Its not like he is working from a master account and then transfers these fills at will to the sub accounts, trying to make it all roughly equal.
 
To be honest, I'm not sure if this is even possible (but its not like I know anything). I would imagine that if some guy is trading my account, each fill has to already match some account, either mine or someone else's. How can you prorate a fill across multiple accounts when the trade has already happened in a clients account? Its not like he is working from a master account and then transfers these fills at will to the sub accounts, trying to make it all roughly equal.
Broker reports that the order is filled. Manager then directs the broker to allocate the trades. Protocol is to provide the allocation after the order is filled
 
To be honest, I'm not sure if this is even possible (but its not like I know anything). I would imagine that if some guy is trading my account, each fill has to already match some account, either mine or someone else's. How can you prorate a fill across multiple accounts when the trade has already happened in a clients account? Its not like he is working from a master account and then transfers these fills at will to the sub accounts, trying to make it all roughly equal.

No the fill doesn't have to match some account up front.

It is exactly like trading from a master account and then transferring the fills on some formula to the sub accounts.
 
Certainly allowing naked calls is utterly irresponsible - I didn't think it was legal, but apparently it is legal to have naked options on futures (although you cannot have naked options on stocks). He told us it was only uneducated people who say risk is unlimited because it can ALWAYS be managed ... right. His book focused on vertical spreads which would have prevented this.

There have been a number of posts in this thread that I think confuse what is legal and what most IRA custodians will permit. I had spent quite a bit of time researching this a while ago, but you should of course check with a lawyer. If you do, I'd be really interested to hear how much of what I say below is correct.

An IRA can legally pursue pretty much any investment strategy, including selling naked equity options, shorting stock, and buying on margin, although borrowing money will result in gains being taxable. Most IRA custodians will not permit this, but it is legal. Tastyworks recently announced they would allow selling naked calls.

An IRA is an independent legal entity. You should look over your paperwork to see if you ever signed a personal guarantee. If you didn't, they can't only make a claim against the IRA (which has no funds), not you personally.

If you did make a personal guarantee you may have extra problems on top of the debit balance. A personal guarantee is a prohibited transaction. As soon as it is made, the IRA ceases to be tax exempt, and any balance is taxable income. So in theory you would owe income tax on the balance at that moment and then capital gains tax from profits in the following years.

Again, I'd be really interested to hear if you get a lawyer's take on this. There have been a couple threads on here about people blowing up IRAs, but I don't think anyone followed up on what the final tax consequences were.
 
Lol so many red flags. Total risk of ruin, man did he have to sell a shit load of naked otm contracts to make those returns. How ignorant can people be.


Whoopsie daisy mark II!

"...Selling options on stocks is one way to generate income. Another is to do the same thing on commodities. Today we interview a professional money manager who does just that, and who gives us his prediction for the price of oil in 2016.

...

James Cordier is the President and Head Trader OptionSellers.com, a private wealth management company based in Tampa, Florida.

BTS (Born To Sell): James, tell us a bit about you and OptionSellers.com.

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JC (James Cordier): I've been trading commodities for 30 years. In the beginning I was attracted to the high leverage of futures trading but the volatility was scary. So I switched to options on commodities instead. Once I realized that 80% of them expire worthless I started selling commodity options instead of buying them. After having success with that strategy I founded OptionSellers.com in 1999.

OptionSellers.com is a licensed CTA (Commodity Trading Advisor) that offers high net worth clients SMAs (separately managed accounts) where the strategy is selling options on commodities to generate income.

BTS: What kind of options are you selling?

JC: We sell far out-of-the-money naked puts and calls, as well as strangles and condors on about 10 different commodities.

BTS: Which commodities?

JC: We mostly trade metals (gold, silver), energy (gas, oil), and food (coffee, cocoa, sugar, corn), plus a couple of others.

BTS: How has it been going?

JC: We target 25% return per year. In 2015, which just ended, we achieved 28% return for our clients (net of fees). Which is good considering the stock market returned about 2% and most of the hedge fund guys had a lousy year.

BTS: Can you take me through a typical transaction?

JC: Sure. If we felt that gold was overvalued, for example, then we could sell calls that were 50% to 100% out-of-the-money and expire in 6-9 months. We might get $700 for the call and the margin requirement is around $1000. A single contract of gold controls 100 ounces, so this is an option on about $100K of underlying value.

BTS: Naked or covered call option?

JC: For this example, naked. However, commodity options this far out of the money don't move dramatically like at-the-money stock options. We also incorporate a number of credit spread type of trades, which can offer a limited risk aspect.

BTS: Do you make any trade adjustments once you've put the trade on?

JC: Yes. If the trade moves against us and the value of the option doubles then we will either exit or roll, depending on whether or not we still like the fundamentals. If the trade moves in our favor then once it has lost about half its value we might layer on another one (keeping the original as well). Once the option is down around 10% of what we received for it, we'll buy it back to close it out.

Mind you, this is not day trading... these are longer term positions and sometimes we buy them back when they still have 90-120 days until expiration. Not a lot of in-and-out trading going on. The advantage of these longer dated options is that you can let time work in your favor to reverse short-lived spikes or drops.

BTS: What about diversification and use of margin?

JC: Typically we hold positions on 6-8 commodities at a time. We don't use maximum margin. Our goal is to take an aggressive investment vehicle and manage it conservatively.

BTS: What is the difference between selling options on commodities vs. selling options on stocks?

JC: We sell options that are much farther out of the money than most people do with stocks. We often sell strikes that are 50% to 100% out of the money. In addition, the leverage in commodities allows investors to get much bigger premiums with substantially smaller margins.

BTS: What about taxes?

JC: They are taxed with a 60/40 rule: 60% as long term capital gains, 40% as short term capital gains. So they get better tax treatment. Plus, you can use commodity options in retirement accounts, just like stocks.

BTS: Why would someone want to sell commodities options instead of stock options?

JC: We would say "in addition to" rather than "instead of", and many people do it for diversification from stocks. Others do it to target the higher returns. Typically our clients are putting about 15%-20% of their overall portfolio into this kind of investment.

BTS: Some commodities, like gold, have ETFs that trade like stocks. Can't someone just buy GLD and write covered calls against it?

JC: Yes, that's one strategy. But we find the risk/reward of selling options on gold futures is better than selling covered calls on GLD (the ETF).

BTS: There's been a lot of noise in the press about the price of oil. What are your thoughts for oil in 2016?

JC: Oil is one of the 10 markets we follow. We trade it quite a bit. It's been a crazy ride from $120 per barrel down to $30. The reason, we feel, is not because of China or the Middle East. We believe it's because the US has increased production from 5 million barrels per day to 10 million. And these other countries just have to sell at any price to keep their government budgets somewhat afloat.

Crude oil is often weak in December or January. 10-15 years ago you'd never see it fall in December or January because we needed it for heating. But now natural gas fills some of that role. We feel that Iran coming online with new supply is already priced in.

Our net opinion is that we think there will be a rally in oil going into the spring and summer driving season. We believe it will trade north of $40 per barrel by June or July. In order to capitalize on that belief we've been selling naked puts at the $22 and $23 level for June and July. We can collect $600 or $700 per contract, with about $1000 in margin requirement. Oil contacts are for 1000 barrels, so about $30K of underlying commodity per contract.

...

BTS:
You've written a 320-page book called The Complete Guide To Options Selling. Tell me about it.

JC: Sure. It was first published by McGraw-Hill in 2004. It's now out in its new, fully updated 3rd edition and has been translated into 6 languages. You can get a copy at OptionSellers.com/Book. It talks about all aspects of selling options. About 1/4 of the book is about selling options on stocks but most of it is about selling options on commodities.

We spell out exactly how it works, how you execute the trades, the risks involved, etc. Once you're done with it you'll know enough that you can start selling options on commodities. It's meant to teach people how to do it themselves.

We have another book coming out February 1st called Option Selling On Steroids. It's exclusively for stock option sellers who want to learn commodities option selling. We will be offering some initial, complimentary copies on our website this month at OptionSellers.com/Steroids.


BTS: Excellent. Thanks for your time today, James.

For more information on selling options on commodities, please visit OptionSellers.com.

Disclosure: This is not an endorsement to buy or sell securities. Investing in securities carries with it very high risks. The information contained within this interview is for informational purposes only and is subject to change at any time. Do your own due diligence and consult with a licensed professional before making any investment. Born To Sell has no affiliation from anyone or any company mentioned in this interview."

That bolding/underlining there on the last paragraph is mine. From what I know, and what my tax forms indicate, commodity futures are not securities. So I get a different tax treatment. If the guy was trading commodity futures along with securities, why would he not have that in his disclaimer? Oh, it was a C&P from some other firm. Gee, as if we have not seen that sort of thing before.
 
They were over leveraged. Trying to make 25% a year net of fees selling deep otm juice is far from a good idea (especially in low rate environments).

BUT I find it fishy that a guy who has 30 years experience trading commodity futures blew up on a 40% NG move over a 10 day period. These moves are not uncommon in some of the thinly traded commodities.

I think other things will surface about this hedge fund. He was either short a stupid amount of NG calls or he was hiding stuff from his clients and this NG move was the last straw.

Yeah it makes no sense, but he seemed ignorant regarding the risks in that interview. And the reporter just went along with it instead of asking pointed questions regarding those returns and the strategy. It looks like he believed his own bullshit and thought he was untouchable. Look at LTCM and they were Nobel prize winners, even wrote options pricing model.
 
I don't understand why clients are suing the hedge fund. Why are clients suing the fund since the fund is already bankrupt?

Even if clients win the case, they won't be able to extract money from a bankrupt entity.

They could probably pierce the wall since it looks like criminal neglect. He should have known better especially a so called expert award winning author with over 20 years of experience.
 
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