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[Thunderdog]

Quote from NeoRio1:

Yes but I think the Obama supporters would be more energized to enter the stormfront against the limbots only if Obama's actions correlated with their beliefs. I think the left is just beginning to see the reality of who Obama is. The reality is that Obama favors the most controversial policies of the last 8 years.

It is what it is.

Tempest meet teapot.

 

[gigsup]

Quote from NeoRio1:

You might want to take a look at the reality of things.

Obama announces that all interrogations must comply with the Army Field Manual but then has his CIA Director announce that he will seek greater interrogation authority whenever it is needed and convenes a task force to determine which enhanced interrogation methods beyond the Field Manual should be authorized.

Obama makes a melodramatic showing of ordering Guantanamo closed but then re-creates its systematic denial of detainee rights in Bagram, and last month Secretary of Defense Gates hinted that up to 100 suspected terrorists would be detained without trial.

He railed against Bush's Guantanamo military commissions but then preserved them with changes that are plainly cosmetic.

Obama has been at least as aggressive as Bush was in asserting radical secrecy doctrines in order to prevent courts from ruling on illegal torture and spying programs and to block victims from having a day in court.

He has continued and even "ramped up" so-called "targeted killings" in Pakistan and Afghanistan which have predictably caused more collateral damage to innocent civilians.

He has maintained not only Bush's rendition policy but also the standard used to determine to which countries a suspect can be rendered, and has kept Bush's domestic surveillance policies in place and unchanged.

Most of all, he has emphatically endorsed the Bush/Cheney paradigm that we are engaged in a "war" against Terrorists -- with all of the accompanying presidential "war powers" -- rather than the law enforcement challenge that John Kerry, among others, advocated.

Just minutes ago he endorsed Republican John McHugh for Army secretary who favors keeping Gitmo open.

The guy is a neocon.

Yep. What better cover for furthering the cause of fascism.

 

[killthesunshine]

there is smthg fundamentally wrong with you people.

if this represents the extent and ability of the common human intellect on this planet..

we stand no chance. never did :eek:

never seen a bigger bunch of screeching minkeys

 

[drjekyllus]

Quote from NeoRio1:

You might want to take a look at the reality of things.

Obama announces that all interrogations must comply with the Army Field Manual but then has his CIA Director announce that he will seek greater interrogation authority whenever it is needed and convenes a task force to determine which enhanced interrogation methods beyond the Field Manual should be authorized.

Obama makes a melodramatic showing of ordering Guantanamo closed but then re-creates its systematic denial of detainee rights in Bagram, and last month Secretary of Defense Gates hinted that up to 100 suspected terrorists would be detained without trial.

He railed against Bush's Guantanamo military commissions but then preserved them with changes that are plainly cosmetic.

Obama has been at least as aggressive as Bush was in asserting radical secrecy doctrines in order to prevent courts from ruling on illegal torture and spying programs and to block victims from having a day in court.

He has continued and even "ramped up" so-called "targeted killings" in Pakistan and Afghanistan which have predictably caused more collateral damage to innocent civilians.

He has maintained not only Bush's rendition policy but also the standard used to determine to which countries a suspect can be rendered, and has kept Bush's domestic surveillance policies in place and unchanged.

Most of all, he has emphatically endorsed the Bush/Cheney paradigm that we are engaged in a "war" against Terrorists -- with all of the accompanying presidential "war powers" -- rather than the law enforcement challenge that John Kerry, among others, advocated.

Just minutes ago he endorsed Republican John McHugh for Army secretary who favors keeping Gitmo open.

The guy is a neocon.

I don't think this shows Obama is a neocon. I think it shows Bush is a statist.

BTW, how does it feel to be an Obama Kool Aid drinker? I mean we heard how smart he was and how dumb Bush was. How come Obama is adopting all the Bush policies that he railed against? How can this be?

 

[bond_trad3r]

I found him!

 

[NeoRio1]

Quote from killthesunshine:

there is smthg fundamentally wrong with you people.

if this represents the extent and ability of the common human intellect on this planet..

we stand no chance. never did :eek:

never seen a bigger bunch of screeching minkeys

So lets see here.

I say Obama is adopting Bush's policies.

You say I am out of my mind.

I give you around 10 recent actions Obama has taken that show evidence of Obama adopting Bush's policies.

You completely and unsurprisingly ignore my post.

I don't get it. Are you hoping conservatives will stay in denial about Obama so you can stay in denial about Obama? Radical bias and illogical politics at its finest.

 

[NeoRio1]

Quote from Thunderdog:

Tempest meet teapot.

If I had listed just one controversial policy that Obama had adopted from Bush then you would be right. In reality though Obama has adopted and strengthened Bush's entire foreign policy.

 

[resinate]

Hard to argue with the below. Plus, in addition to continuing the war criminal policies of Bush, he has shown himself to be hopelessly pro-business, emptying the US treasury into a host of loser corporations.

Quote from NeoRio1:

You might want to take a look at the reality of things.

Obama announces that all interrogations must comply with the Army Field Manual but then has his CIA Director announce that he will seek greater interrogation authority whenever it is needed and convenes a task force to determine which enhanced interrogation methods beyond the Field Manual should be authorized.

Obama makes a melodramatic showing of ordering Guantanamo closed but then re-creates its systematic denial of detainee rights in Bagram, and last month Secretary of Defense Gates hinted that up to 100 suspected terrorists would be detained without trial.

He railed against Bush's Guantanamo military commissions but then preserved them with changes that are plainly cosmetic.

Obama has been at least as aggressive as Bush was in asserting radical secrecy doctrines in order to prevent courts from ruling on illegal torture and spying programs and to block victims from having a day in court.

He has continued and even "ramped up" so-called "targeted killings" in Pakistan and Afghanistan which have predictably caused more collateral damage to innocent civilians.

He has maintained not only Bush's rendition policy but also the standard used to determine to which countries a suspect can be rendered, and has kept Bush's domestic surveillance policies in place and unchanged.

Most of all, he has emphatically endorsed the Bush/Cheney paradigm that we are engaged in a "war" against Terrorists -- with all of the accompanying presidential "war powers" -- rather than the law enforcement challenge that John Kerry, among others, advocated.

Just minutes ago he endorsed Republican John McHugh for Army secretary who favors keeping Gitmo open.

The guy is a neocon.

 

[saxon]

Quote from resinate:

Hard to argue with the below. Plus, in addition to continuing the war criminal policies of Bush, he has shown himself to be hopelessly pro-business, emptying the US treasury into a host of loser corporations.

Ressie, old man...you disappoint me. So now Obama is a war criminal too??

Don't you get it? War is hell. War itself is the enemy, aimed at the annihilation of the human species. There are no criminals in war; only accomplices.

 

[ByLoSellHi]

Obama is a big, wet fart.

Those who hoped he'd be for sane regulation of insane, out of f**king control bad actors, killing America...well...you could not possibly be more disappointed, could you?