Horseshit. While there certainly may be folks that are "big government sympathizers" in that group, most of them simply want effective government - free of libertarian fantasy. That is not sympathizing, even if your "type" thinks it is
Opening up a Whites only pizza shop in AZ question.
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Horseshit. While there certainly may be folks that are "big government sympathizers" in that group, most of them simply want effective government - free of libertarian fantasy. That is not sympathizing, even if your "type" thinks it is
Rick Perry Vows To 'Continue To Fight' After Texas' Gay Marriage Ban Ruled Unconstitutional
"Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) vowed to keep fighting after his state's ban on gay marriage was ruled unconstitutional.
"U.S. District Judge Orlando Garcia made the ruling on Wednesday. Perry argued the ruling was an attempt to "achieve via the courts what couldn't be achieved at the ballot box" in a statement:
" Texans spoke loud and clear by overwhelmingly voting to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman in our Constitution, and it is not the role of the federal government to overturn the will of our citizens. The 10th Amendment guarantees Texas voters the freedom to make these decisions, and this is yet another attempt to achieve via the courts what couldn't be achieved at the ballot box. We will continue to fight for the rights of Texans to self-determine the laws of our state."
"Garcia said the decision was made "in compliance with the U.S. Constitution and Supreme Court precedent." HuffPost's Ryan Reilly reports Garcia chose to quote from Scalia's dissent in the landmark 2003 case Lawrence v. Texas, which struck down the state's anti-sodomy law, in his ruling.
"Garcia issued a stay on his order, meaning the ban will remain in effect pending appeal."
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"Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) vowed to keep fighting after his state's ban on gay marriage was ruled unconstitutional.
"U.S. District Judge Orlando Garcia made the ruling on Wednesday. Perry argued the ruling was an attempt to "achieve via the courts what couldn't be achieved at the ballot box" in a statement:
" Texans spoke loud and clear by overwhelmingly voting to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman in our Constitution, and it is not the role of the federal government to overturn the will of our citizens. The 10th Amendment guarantees Texas voters the freedom to make these decisions, and this is yet another attempt to achieve via the courts what couldn't be achieved at the ballot box. We will continue to fight for the rights of Texans to self-determine the laws of our state."
"Garcia said the decision was made "in compliance with the U.S. Constitution and Supreme Court precedent." HuffPost's Ryan Reilly reports Garcia chose to quote from Scalia's dissent in the landmark 2003 case Lawrence v. Texas, which struck down the state's anti-sodomy law, in his ruling.
"Garcia issued a stay on his order, meaning the ban will remain in effect pending appeal."
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I never said anything about the contents of the group labeled (by someone else) "big government sympathizers". What I did say was horseshit to the others that you labeled supporters of anarchy.
1) There are definitely bigger fights, but this is about principle to me. This may sound weird, but I believe private citizens absolutely have a 'right' to discriminate. in fact, i think everyone does it during the course of their lives. what I'm getting at is if you own something, including a business, it seems to me that you absolutely have the right to deny service to people for whatever reason. If you own a bar and a group of skinheads decide to make that their spot, can u tell them they're not welcome in your establishment even though they pay and haven't caused any trouble? i think so. In the same bar you have an individual who is always hitting on your bartender, even though she told him not to. can you toss this guy and tell him not to come back, yes. what if some guy talks like a douche or you just don't like his face, do you have to serve him or can you turn him away at the door? Have you ever been to or heard of a nightclub that won't allow a group of dudes in because they want more chicks in there? they exist, is that discrimination?
basically, i don't think a private business needs a reason to kick someone off their property or deny them whatever service they provide. that seems like freedom to me. forcing a private citizen who believes being gay is a sin to provide services to a gay couple, is oppressive.
2) totally agree.
cause being right is all about the scorecard, do i have that correct? I've asked you before but of course you didn't answer.
A loss? What is the current law prohibiting a restaurant from banning service to someone because of his or her sexual orientation?
Phoenix Mayor On Anti-Gay Bill: The 'Damage Has Already Been Done'[\b]
"WASHINGTON -- Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) vetoed controversial anti-gay legislation known as SB 1062 Wednesday evening, after the bill sparked a national outcry. While those who came out in force against the legislation are no doubt breathing a sigh of relief, Phoenix Mayor Greg Stanton (D) believes the state's reputation has already taken a hit.
"I've got to be honest with you. Much damage has already been done," Stanton said in an interview with The Huffington Post Wednesday afternoon, before Brewer had announced her decision. He said he was confident that Brewer would veto the bill, but criticized the state legislature for pushing it through in the first place.
"The negative national and international publicity that our state has already received -- it sends a message that our state is not a warm, welcoming place," he added. "And the truth is, we are!"
"Indeed, while the state was waiting to hear what Brewer would do with the bill, the Hispanic National Bar Association announced that it would not hold its 2015 national convention in Phoenix as planned.
"The HNBA views this as a civil rights issue," HNBA National President Miguel Alexander Pozo said in a statement. "As a national association of lawyers committed to promoting the ideals of equal protection, equal opportunity, tolerance, and inclusiveness, it is imperative that we speak up and take immediate action in the presence of injustice."
"The group did not immediately return a request for comment on whether its decision still stands in light of Brewer's veto.
"Major corporations like Apple, Delta, PetSmart, Marriott, Starwood and American Airlines all came out against SB 1062, which would have allowed businesses to refuse services to LGBT people on the grounds of "religious freedom."
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"WASHINGTON -- Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) vetoed controversial anti-gay legislation known as SB 1062 Wednesday evening, after the bill sparked a national outcry. While those who came out in force against the legislation are no doubt breathing a sigh of relief, Phoenix Mayor Greg Stanton (D) believes the state's reputation has already taken a hit.
"I've got to be honest with you. Much damage has already been done," Stanton said in an interview with The Huffington Post Wednesday afternoon, before Brewer had announced her decision. He said he was confident that Brewer would veto the bill, but criticized the state legislature for pushing it through in the first place.
"The negative national and international publicity that our state has already received -- it sends a message that our state is not a warm, welcoming place," he added. "And the truth is, we are!"
"Indeed, while the state was waiting to hear what Brewer would do with the bill, the Hispanic National Bar Association announced that it would not hold its 2015 national convention in Phoenix as planned.
"The HNBA views this as a civil rights issue," HNBA National President Miguel Alexander Pozo said in a statement. "As a national association of lawyers committed to promoting the ideals of equal protection, equal opportunity, tolerance, and inclusiveness, it is imperative that we speak up and take immediate action in the presence of injustice."
"The group did not immediately return a request for comment on whether its decision still stands in light of Brewer's veto.
"Major corporations like Apple, Delta, PetSmart, Marriott, Starwood and American Airlines all came out against SB 1062, which would have allowed businesses to refuse services to LGBT people on the grounds of "religious freedom."
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