On the Fed's ability to control unemployment, and other silly Ricter thoughts...

Quote from Max E. Pad:

+1

Its funny cause both of them simply say everyone else is an idiot, yet neither one will ever engage in any kind of debate on economics.... Tsing Tao and many others have posted our views, yet their only response is "you dont know what your talking about."

I think that both Brass and Bigarrow realize they are in over their heads.....

At least in this thread I didn't call anyone an idiot. And I didn't say I had an opinion one way or the other on the thrust of the article.
Here is my comment on the article
"too much emotion, sarcasm and hyperbole for a financial piece. I'm sure there are better written ones you could copy to better make your argument."

Example from the article
The Fed is promising once again to pound nails with the only tools in its toolbox, a saw and a chisel. The "nails" the Fed is trying to pound down are unemployment and deflation. Needless to say, whacking these big nails with a handsaw and a chisel is completely useless: they can't get the job done.
A whole paragraph and he didn't say a damn thing.

Another
The Fed claims all sorts of supernatural powers
I'll need to see his source for this claim.

Another
money dropped from helicopters
Really ???

The whole article is filled with this type of drivel.

Come on bath Tao find a better article that shows us what you're thinking.
 
Quote from Max E. Pad:

+1

Its funny cause both of them simply say everyone else is an idiot, yet neither one will ever engage in any kind of debate on economics.... Tsing Tao and many others have posted our views, yet their only response is "you dont know what your talking about."

I think that both Brass and Bigarrow realize they are in over their heads.....

They are just running their agenda like union goons with baseball bats..
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

Ok, back. So as I mentioned, "how would you save the world" is a bit too general to answer in something so short as a forum post. But the first thing (which won't surprise you) that I would do is get rid of the Fed.

It's harmful. Interest rates can be set by a computer. We don't need a super bank who's interest is merely to prop up zombie and criminal institutions who are speculating in markets at the expense of the public.

Which brings me to point #2, bring back Glass-Stegall. Make it illegal for banks to be anything other than banks. Get them out of the business of trading.

Then, prosecute and put people in jail, throw away the key of executives who knowingly engage in fraudulent activity. CEOs and company execs who cause catastrophic losses to their company through negligence need to have bonuses clawed back, and never work in their industries again. No federal bailouts moving losses to the taxpayer side of the equation, ever. A company goes bad, it gets to go through the bankruptcy proceedings set to handle companies going bad. No more picking and choosing who wins and who loses. The company that wins is the company that runs itself profitably within the scope of the law.

Refine regulatory oversight. It's worthless, and in many cases complicit in illegal/immoral activities. Get rid of the nest of vipers completely. Replace it with IRS type personalities - lower paid individuals that have no ties to government and politics. Make executives on Wall Street fear when they come to audit.

Get rid of lobbying and any interference whatsoever from the private sector and washington. A politician who takes a donation or a payment from any corporation goes to jail. The company that makes the payment gets fined outrageously.

Politicians are arrested for insider trading. Politicians are forced to have term limits, and get paid almost nothing, have all their expenses paid for them (housing, medical, etc) and their family, but once done with their term return to the private sector world without life pensions. If you want to keep medical benefits, i'm ok with that. But make it like Jury Duty or being called up by the National Guard. If you get called to political service, you go serve and your job is kept for you wherever you work so you can return when done.

This is just to start.


That was a depressing post.

In other words, we have to change the system entirely.

It's simply too late. The population has been dumbed down far enuf to negate the power of the internet, and people like you will be declared an enemy of the state, and your own neighbors will have your head.

That's what is so depressing.
 
Quote from bigarrow:


Example from the article
The Fed is promising once again to pound nails with the only tools in its toolbox, a saw and a chisel. The "nails" the Fed is trying to pound down are unemployment and deflation. Needless to say, whacking these big nails with a handsaw and a chisel is completely useless: they can't get the job done.
A whole paragraph and he didn't say a damn thing.

Another
The Fed claims all sorts of supernatural powers
I'll need to see his source for this claim.

Another
money dropped from helicopters
Really ???

The whole article is filled with this type of drivel.

Come on bath Tao find a better article that shows us what you're thinking.

It's called an editorial. Editorials frequently use colorful commentary to then lead into the main meat of the argument. You, of course, know this, but are trying to cling to a flimsy argument you know is nothing more than you wanting to troll the thread.

Zero credibility, zero understanding, zero relevance. You should get a t-shirt made up with that so others know what to expect when they see you coming!
 
Quote from RCG Trader:

That was a depressing post.

In other words, we have to change the system entirely.

It's simply too late. The population has been dumbed down far enuf to negate the power of the internet, and people like you will be declared an enemy of the state, and your own neighbors will have your head.

That's what is so depressing.

I am in complete agreement with you. A reset is the only thing that will do it at this point.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

I am in complete agreement with you. A reset is the only thing that will do it at this point.

I think those cats who did the Matrix produced one of the few movies who told the brutal truth, and why it is still talked about today. They belong up there with Welles, Asimov and Clancy for using fiction to try to tell some truths.

My personal irony is that some of us will live to see the implosion, and in the aftermath, we will be among the first to be relieved of it, because of our age.
 
On most days I wonder about the "Elite" in Elite Trader. It's threads like this that make me wonder.
No offense to Tsing Tao, who has ably put forth his view of the world. The bottomless ignorance of Keynes is what is to blame for his ease in batting away his opponents.
Let's quote from a guy who was not only a Keynesian, but who actually implemented Keynesian policies while in gov't during WWII and after, right up to the sixties, John Kenneth Galbraith. He at least does Keynes the favor of knowing what he was about:


all of the below is from the book Money: Whence it Came, Where it Went, available at Amazon last I checked.

The Federal Reserve System is treated by nearly all economists with reverence. On no matter is their instruction of the young in the subtlety and benignity of established institutions more admiring - or in broad effect, more successful....That there is conflict here with circumstance, even the minimally alert will have sensed. As an answer to the great panics, the System was notably defective...Nor was it better as an antidote for an alarming epidemic of bank failures. In the twenty years before the founding of the System there were 1748 bank suspensions; in the twenty years after it ended the anarchy of unstable private banking, there were 15,502.

The Depression: The Fed Botches its Single Most Important Job

In the months following the crash the Federal Reserve Banks did reduce interest rates...More important, open-market purchases of securities were not encouraged but avoided. Increasingly, in these years, depositors, individually or in droves, were descending on the banks for cash. The obvious course was for the Federal Reserve to buy government securities, flood the banks with the resulting funds...But not until 1932 did the Federal Reserve Banks undertake open-market operations on any appreciable scale.

The Ineffectiveness of Monetary Policy

Not surprisingly, after 1933, monetary policy in general and the Federal Reserve System in particular sank into the shadows...There was, however, one glowing moment...In 1936 and 1937, with the economy making a very gradual recovery, the new power to raise the reserve requirements of member banks was invoked...The combination of restrictive monetary policy and restrictive budget policy brought a sharp new recession within the arms, as it were, of the larger depression...
The 1937 action was the last error of the Federal Reserve for a long time. That was because it was its last action of any moment for fifteen years. The problem with monetary policy was now clear. It could make reserves available. It could not cause them to be borrowed, bring about the resulting deposit creation. On the old question of how causation ran, it was plain that, in depression at least, it was the state of trade that ruled. The supply of money did not affect prices and trade nearly so much as the state of trade affected the supply of money and the level of prices...Money must be not only manufactured but spent - made to operate directly on the state of trade. This was the policy that was now, though with great caution, pursued. It was fiscal as distinct from monetary policy. It is tied irrevocably to the name of Keynes.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

It's called an editorial. Editorials frequently use colorful commentary to then lead into the main meat of the argument. You, of course, know this, but are trying to cling to a flimsy argument you know is nothing more than you wanting to troll the thread.

Zero credibility, zero understanding, zero relevance. You should get a t-shirt made up with that so others know what to expect when they see you coming!


First the article talks about how marginally qualified borrowers will borrow more due to the low interest rates. Then he says the banks are wary of loaning to marginal borrowers.

“At 1%, marginal borrowers (the kind who are most likely to default) qualify for loans.”

“Talk about unintended consequences. The Fed's ZIRP punishes the prudent and rewards financier gamblers and encourages marginal borrowers who are tomorrow's defaulters.”

“The top 5% have improved their debt-income ratios, but the lower 95% don't qualify for new loans or refinancing. Now that the banks are weighed down with bad debt and writedowns, they are wary of loaning more to marginal borrowers.”

What a load of crap. I know you’re a little slow witted bath tao but even you should of caught this before you posted it. Geesh
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

It's called an editorial. Editorials frequently use colorful commentary to then lead into the main meat of the argument. You, of course, know this, but are trying to cling to a flimsy argument you know is nothing more than you wanting to troll the thread.

Zero credibility, zero understanding, zero relevance. You should get a t-shirt made up with that so others know what to expect when they see you coming!

Pretty amazing to encounter someone as dull-witted as bigarrow trying to post in one of these serious economic threads. He doesn't even realize how terribly stupid his posts make him sound.

I used to really enjoy the back and forth debate between you and Ricter in threads of this type but it seems like Ricter will no longer engage you ever since the incident with him using an alias. His heart doesn't seem to be in it anymore, at least to my perception.
 
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