On 10-case geometry and beyond

[tiddlywinks]

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I was hoping someone could give me a quick feedback on whether I'm annotating wrong. Chart is from 4/30.

TIA

One of the greatest things about JHPV is it's "self-correcting" nature.

The 10:15 bar, according to volume can not be ftt. But it can be a pt3.
I think your wider black container, beginning at 9:30 is not the container.
According to the chart, with volume, I see the container starting at 15:30 previous day.

For now, just take note of how volume doesn't match your geometry. It's no big deal for now. Note the big volume bar. Note the lateral and multiple flaws. You'll begin seeing nesting too. Notice the self-correcting nature.

Don't get flustered, you are on your way!! Your annotations would have made you money!

 

[NeedToLearn]

Turn on Global Channels [SpaceBar] and Compare.

lol I was hoping to actually put some labels on them correctly as I feel I learn easier (damn formal educational damages) that way.

 

[NeedToLearn]

One of the greatest things about JHPV is it's "self-correcting" nature.

The 10:15 bar, according to volume can not be ftt. But it can be a pt3.
I think your wider black container, beginning at 9:30 is not the container.
According to the chart, with volume, I see the container starting at 15:30 previous day.

For now, just take note of how volume doesn't match your geometry. It's no big deal for now. Note the big volume bar. Note the lateral and multiple flaws. You'll begin seeing nesting too. Notice the self-correcting nature.

Don't get flustered, you are on your way!! Your annotations would have made you money!

Wouldn't the 9:50 bar be a point 2 or maybe 4 if we already have point 2 and 3 from the previous day? Therefore, the 10:05 OB bar can be a T2F or T3F (Those are ftt's right? Trough to failure? or do I have the jargon wrong again lol)?

Do the FBO labels and BO T1 seem correct at least? I'm really trying to wrap my head around those failsafe stuff.

Thanks for the feedback as always!

 

[tiddlywinks]

Wouldn't the 9:50 bar be a point 2 or maybe 4 if we already have point 2 and 3 from the previous day? Therefore, the 10:05 OB bar can be a T2F or T3F (Those are ftt's right? Trough to failure? or do I have the jargon wrong again lol)?

Do the FBO labels and BO T1 seem correct at least? I'm really trying to wrap my head around those failsafe stuff.

Thanks for the feedback as always!

Of course it could.

And you have described the BIG PROBLEM caused by not doing carry over.
You'll recall, I actually posted my live trading chart for the same date.
I made it point to say I started annotation in isolation... no carry over, no TLs, no pt's, of any kind. I built the containers starting bar-to-bar, to tape, to whatever the next container is called. Also, I do not consider anything beyond bar-to-bar containment until first rising volume.

Something of importance right now is this...

The "F" and "P" associated with volume elements T2P/T2F mean "Fail" and "Pass". Apply the volume element test procedure, pass or fail.
ftt means Failure To Traverse (RTL to LTL), but if trough to failure helps you, no harm imo.

More important is... I have to leave the building right now. Sorry.

 

[NeedToLearn]

Of course it could.

And you have described the BIG PROBLEM caused by not doing carry over.
You'll recall, I actually posted my live trading chart for the same date.
I made it point to say I started annotation in isolation... no carry over, no TLs, no pt's, of any kind. I built the containers starting bar-to-bar, to tape, to whatever the next container is called. Also, I do not consider anything beyond bar-to-bar containment until first rising volume.

Something of importance right now is this...

The "F" and "P" associated with volume elements T2P/T2F mean "Fail" and "Pass". Apply the volume element test procedure, pass or fail.
ftt means Failure To Traverse (RTL to LTL), but if trough to failure helps you, no harm imo.

More important is... I have to leave the building right now. Sorry.

Thanks for clearing that up. I guess I had that part jumbled up and suddenly while reading the volume test procedure I got that "aha" moment.

Good day sir!

 

[stepan7]

lol I was hoping to actually put some labels on them correctly as I feel I learn easier (damn formal educational damages) that way.

RTL Fan and Channel Type Label.

 

[Sprout]

Bar numbers attached
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You're annotations are coming along.

My view of that day. First is of my normal scale, second adjusted to fit the day.



My logs aren't scanned atm. Imho, logging is what accelerated my comprehension of Jack's work. There are events in logging that are not easily seen on an annotated chart. It's just the nature of perception in that we trust more of what we see than of what logic dictates. Annotating provides visual references, logging provides a deeper resource to work through logic in an efficient, complete and timely manner. It especially makes a difference when debriefing. Debriefing is where future profits come into being by deepening one's understanding. Capacity gets built through the routine of MADA during RTH.

'Anon' is an interesting movie recently out on netflix that explores this concept of perception and the implicit trust we give it.

 

[tiddlywinks]

There are events in logging that are not easily seen on an annotated chart.

This is very true.
The not an ftt that I pointed out is an example. Annotating the high area of the chart produced multiple EE's. Unless one can spot those rapid changes in real-time, logging would spell it out.

For a good time try it with faster than 5 min charts. Glaring and obvious divergences between price and volume hold more meaning than BM. Just an observation, not an invention. Geez, that observe/invent line sounds like murray turtle. LOL

 

[NeedToLearn]

You're annotations are coming along.

My view of that day. First is of my normal scale, second adjusted to fit the day.

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My logs aren't scanned atm. Imho, logging is what accelerated my comprehension of Jack's work. There are events in logging that are not easily seen on an annotated chart. It's just the nature of perception in that we trust more of what we see than of what logic dictates. Annotating provides visual references, logging provides a deeper resource to work through logic in an efficient, complete and timely manner. It especially makes a difference when debriefing. Debriefing is where future profits come into being by deepening one's understanding. Capacity gets built through the routine of MADA during RTH.

'Anon' is an interesting movie recently out on netflix that explores this concept of perception and the implicit trust we give it.

Just tried to complete a log based on your annotations. Also watched 'Anon' just now lol. Whenever you get around to scanning your logs, would you mind sharing a few of them? I'd like to compare and see the pieces I'm missing and try to get a better understanding. Just logging your ending event annotations were really helpful so far.

Btw, interesting movie.

 

[NeedToLearn]

This is very true.
The not an ftt that I pointed out is an example. Annotating the high area of the chart produced multiple EE's. Unless one can spot those rapid changes in real-time, logging would spell it out.

For a good time try it with faster than 5 min charts. Glaring and obvious divergences between price and volume hold more meaning than BM. Just an observation, not an invention. Geez, that observe/invent line sounds like murray turtle. LOL

You mean like that price curve? Price going up on no volume and A/D be prepared for change? I guess traverse from LTL to RTL is expected?

Quick question again, how is A/D measured anyway? The definition I found measures using a formula of the bar's range and close of the bar relative to the its' range against the bar's volume.

Anyway now I'm all curious to see how those 2 minute charts look like under the scope of JHM.