Omicron: Natural immunity idea ‘not really panning out'

TreeFrogTrader said:
"Using sick outs to try to get higher pay" but the 75 drivers just coincidently tested postive for covid?

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Just like they said they may have Covid in Wake, Stanley, Cumberland, and other counties for months now when they collectively all don't show up for work. I can post 100+ articles on the entire history of this since August -- but you can easily google North Carolina bus driver strike. Keep in mind strikes by public employees are forbidden in North Carolina hence they sick out.
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
I see. For some reason you have suddenly swung over to being a covid-denier.

North Carolina high schools suspend bus service after too many drivers test positive for COVID-19

N.C. - Shortages hit CMS as more than 1,000 teachers missed class last week

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Yes... we are having issues with teachers and students picking up Covid during the holiday break and not coming to school last week (the first week back). Why is this surprising? After all many traveled and gathered with others to celebrate the holidays.

This extends to bus drivers.... some got Covid over the holidays. Some school systems are also enduring the extension of bus driver "strikes" in the first week of the year.

The topic was the spread of Covid within schools which are using masks -- which in December was low in schools using masks despite the high presence of Omicron in N.C. counties at that time.

So tell us -- why are the rates of Covid spread in schools in Florida in December which have no mask mandates so much higher than the spread of Covid in schools in North Carolina with mandates in December.
 
gwb-trading said:
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So tell us -- why are the rates of Covid spread in schools in Florida in December which have no mask mandates so much higher than the spread of Covid in schools in North Carolina with mandates in December.
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Heh, pretty funny.

I was just thinking that you have been spending so much time working on your online phd degree program with Phoenix University = writing your thesis on Ron Santis and Covid that you have lost track of what is going on in your own state. Then you post about Florida schools right on schedule. Did not miss a beat.

But hey, you gotta go where the spirit leads you though. Monitoring Florida and Ron DeSantis might be your purpose on earth. Or it could just be - as Sigmund Freud called it- "symptom substitution." Where the patient who is committed to a certain psychological disease will just adopt a new one if the first one goes away. Such as Trump leaving office. Just when you think Trump Derangement Syndrome has gone away for you and your ilk, it reappears as Ron DeSantis Derangement Syndrome.

Anyway. Big hug for you.
 
gwb-trading said:
Two charts:
  • How quickly case count is growing chart by state
  • Full table of states (with more states shown at url). Covid case data by state for recent weeks with color coding for percentage change.
Additional information are the following url.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...king-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s

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Looking at that first chart you posted of the percentage spikes of 10 states, that's terrible news for anyone who keeps pounding the vaccination drum since the state with the highest vaccination rate (Vermont) is the one with the highest percentage spike in new covid cases. Rhode Island is the second-highest vaccinated state and their spike is off the charts as well, and both of the states I just mentioned have spiked more on a percentage basis than the wild, wild west of Florida. How can you explain that one?
 
Baron said:
Looking at that first chart you posted of the percentage spikes of 10 states, that's terrible news for anyone who keeps pounding the vaccination drum since the state with the highest vaccination rate (Vermont) is the one with the highest percentage spike in new covid cases. Rhode Island is the second-highest vaccinated state and their spike is off the charts as well, and both of the states I just mentioned have spiked more on a percentage basis than the wild, wild west of Florida. How can you explain that one?
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The vaxxed are out and about more? For me the main thing to note is that as a vaxxed person it's far less likely I'm going to the hospital when I get it. That's a very good reason to pound the vaxx drum.
 
Baron said:
Looking at that first chart you posted of the percentage spikes of 10 states, that's terrible news for anyone who keeps pounding the vaccination drum since the state with the highest vaccination rate (Vermont) is the one with the highest percentage spike in new covid cases. Rhode Island is the second-highest vaccinated state and their spike is off the charts as well, and both of the states I just mentioned have spiked more on a percentage basis than the wild, wild west of Florida. How can you explain that one?
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Baron ... what does off the charts mean? And you claim spiked more than Florida on a percentage basis so lets look at the figures shall we. Let;'s go back over a month which is when all of this Omicron exploded

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Vermont 7 day average as of yesterday = 1,747 Cases
Vermont 7 day average as of 1 month ago = 455

% Spike = 283%

Florida 7 day average yesterday = 66,669
Florida 7 day average 1 month ago = 1,795

% Spike = >3000%

You cannot use cases to make a vaccine issue as the vaccine is an adaptive immunity tool. Also Florida has spike more while not accounting for actual numbers since the state is much much larger of course. My fmaily members in Florida all tell me people go out and about in large crowds without masks or social distancing.

Why is there shock that an airborne virus is spreading so fast in Florida then.
 
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Baron said:
Looking at that first chart you posted of the percentage spikes of 10 states, that's terrible news for anyone who keeps pounding the vaccination drum since the state with the highest vaccination rate (Vermont) is the one with the highest percentage spike in new covid cases. Rhode Island is the second-highest vaccinated state and their spike is off the charts as well, and both of the states I just mentioned have spiked more on a percentage basis than the wild, wild west of Florida. How can you explain that one?
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Needs context of the size of the population of the states, the total case level per capita (rather than just the weekly increase), and the need for boosters for protection against Omicron. Vermont has 80% vaccination rate for age 5 and above. It's booster rate is only 59%. As noted Omicron studies a booster is really necessary for reasonable protection against infection Omicron. Unfortunately Omicron is very vaccine evasive in regards to infection, but vaccination is still very effective at keeping you from getting seriously ill with Omicron.

Sadly we are seeing Omicron spread quickly across the U.S. with large spikes-- however still state data (when accounting like population density, seasonality, medical capabilities, etc.) are still showing that states, cities, & counties using proper public health policies during the pandemic are faring better than comparable entities that are not.

Omicron cases will continue to increase for a few weeks in the U.S. before waning. In states which encountered Omicron first (e.g. Florida and New York (NYC in particular) ) the decrease side the curve will occur earlier -- possibly in mid/late January. The question is how much damage will Omicron will do to the residents of a state/city in terms of severe illness (hospitalizations) and deaths during the time it is highly prevalent in a community -- this is driven by the level of vaccination, public health measures, average age, medical system capability and other factors.
 
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