Olympic lifters/Crossfit workout and diet thread

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Thanks Leap. Ya, had two panels run. One was more thorough. One was just total testosterone. I came in bottom range, around 15th percentile. Basically the testosterone levels of a 75 year old man or a 11 year old boy etc. I had great success with an OTC product several years ago, but never was able to replicate it's effects. I'm giving myself until Dec/Jan then try androgel. My gp is okay and will put me on it. How about androgel? Any feedback? I just want it for libido and mood, really. I gain muscle fine and strong. But lets just say if I'm on a date, I need viagra everytime.

Also, how do you manage the estrogen feedback? Take an AI with the shots?

Yep, thought that may have been the case. And ask your GP to write you a 10ml vial Depo Testosterone (is testosterone cypionate, some use enanthate, or could even be a blend), with 1 refill. I'd actually recommend what I personally do, but isn't necessarily for someone new to this. I use 29 gauge 1/2" insulin syringes, and backload them with 1/4ml-50mg, and inject in delts, triceps, or quads every other day. I highly recommend you learn about intramuscular injections, and realize this miracle is suspended in an oil as a carrier. (Means isn't the "shot" you see all the time, as being oily, takes time to inject it. And I do aspirated, as after 20yrs, have been filled a syringe with blood a handful of time.)

I'll say, 7 days after your first injection, you'll be noticing it. And after being on it for a month, you'll want to buy us a Ferrari lol, for mentioning this. Smart thing, would be your doc injecting you with testosterone propionate, and of course, the cypionate, or enanthate. All the prop does is "hit you" much faster- 2 days, and will "hang around" just long enough for the depo test to start working.

And shit, I just re-read your last sentence. Sounds like you've at least read some bodybuilding boards by saying "AI," where we've been forced to be "our own Physicians"* since the 1991 laws dumb ass Bush 1 screwed us with, literally handcuffing doctors, and yeah, no more good studies, meaning getting information from Europe, or elsewhere.. Sad! Please note, you WILL crush your libido even worse if you get too much aromatise inhibitor dose. Especially femara 2.5mg!:eek: I actuall don't use an AI on trt, but yes, when doing whats now called a "blast," ie., cycle.

So many sides an AI can cause by crushing estrogen, is a fine line you'll need to walk. Sure, puffy, itchy nips, big water retention, and you'd be a candidate, BUT do not use too much, or yes, you'll be back to not being able to "get things going," even on testosterone. Try without, and if you're sensitive to aromatization, or the dose is too much, Aramasin is what I'd recommend, as Arimidex WILL drop your HDL!:eek: There's MUCH to this, and is probably far over your GP's head. I really recommend you look up a doc who does HRT, life extension, etc.,

I could type three pages on this, and the above is a small %, but a hell of a start. Guarantee a month into your levels going to the upper range, you'll be loving life, and it's far beyond just the sexual benefits... Best wishes!

 

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Yeah, I just need to get bloodwork done and see what's up.

I haven't tried finding hCG in a long time, but I took nolvadex prescribed by the doc to treat some gyno and it jacked up my sex drive and everything. The gyno suprisingly went down about 75%...rebounded a little after stopping but nonetheless significantly better than it was. I anticipated that might help with jumpstarting things a bit, and it did for a little while. A couple days after I came off the nolva I felt great and everything seemed back to normal then it has somewhat faded since. I've got some unopened research chem Clomid. I'll go see the doc first though and see what they say before I do anything on my own.

And if you've got some extra $, look into 75iu's HMG eod with your HCG protocol... Human menopausal gonadotropin.

 

[LEAPup]

Nope. I take 100mg of DHEA topically. I also do rhGH. I do an occasional cycle and hCG to bring 'em back. I would suggest talking to your doc and getting some blood work and perhaps a cycle of clomiphene and hCG.

^ And is a home run all day long!

 

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Androgel is shit.

Achilles28, listen to the above^
If you go with androgel, your blood plasma levels will swing too wildly to give you the relief you're seeking. The androgel is an outrageously priced "help" for those scared of an I.M. injection, plus the MD's who "know" most can't effectively inject themselves.. Thank epitome of greed, big pharma, and med schools dismissing male hormone issues for this one..
And I should know. After burying my Dad last year, became the proud lol, owner of his androgel. Is pure garbage, and I should be beaten for not forcing him to go to a real doc- HRT.. Of course, with his non-alcoholic liver cirrhosis (turned cancer, of course), the TRT became a moot issue, as it was dropped, being medically necessary re liver.. Yeah, testosterone crash is genetic for males in my family post 30yrs old. And yeah, since testosterone replacement was "cheating," or some horse shit explanations, their docs NEVER tested them for this, and the result was depressed males turning to booze to feel "better." Very vicious cycle.
Again, after reading your post, you could literally start on depo test right now, but I'd rather see you go to a HRT doc, and get it done legitimately. Hell, if you don't mind a trip to FL, I can refer you to a doc a few hrs south of me who works with celebrities, politicians, etc., and gets their levels back to age 18-21 via testosterone, rHGH, dhea, and yes, aromatise inhibitors if needed. And if your blood panel was done rather recently, he'll use it to get you going. GUARANTEE you'll want to donate a Ferrari to me and convexx after this one, as at your levels, guarantee you feel like shit, and once you get into the upper range (900's), will literally be a new man. Best wishes!

 

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Yep, thought that may have been the case. And ask your GP to write you a 10ml vial Depo Testosterone (is testosterone cypionate, some use enanthate, or could even be a blend), with 1 refill. I'd actually recommend what I personally do, but isn't necessarily for someone new to this. I use 29 gauge 1/2" insulin syringes, and backload them with 1/4ml-50mg, and inject in delts, triceps, or quads every other day. I highly recommend you learn about intramuscular injections, and realize this miracle is suspended in an oil as a carrier. (Means isn't the "shot" you see all the time, as being oily, takes time to inject it. And I do aspirated, as after 20yrs, have been filled a syringe with blood a handful of time.)

I'll say, 7 days after your first injection, you'll be noticing it. And after being on it for a month, you'll want to buy us a Ferrari lol, for mentioning this. Smart thing, would be your doc injecting you with testosterone propionate, and of course, the cypionate, or enanthate. All the prop does is "hit you" much faster- 2 days, and will "hang around" just long enough for the depo test to start working.

And shit, I just re-read your last sentence. Sounds like you've at least read some bodybuilding boards by saying "AI," where we've been forced to be "our own Physicians"* since the 1991 laws dumb ass Bush 1 screwed us with, literally handcuffing doctors, and yeah, no more good studies, meaning getting information from Europe, or elsewhere.. Sad! Please note, you WILL crush your libido even worse if you get too much aromatise inhibitor dose. Especially femara 2.5mg!:eek: I actuall don't use an AI on trt, but yes, when doing whats now called a "blast," ie., cycle.

So many sides an AI can cause by crushing estrogen, is a fine line you'll need to walk. Sure, puffy, itchy nips, big water retention, and you'd be a candidate, BUT do not use too much, or yes, you'll be back to not being able to "get things going," even on testosterone. Try without, and if you're sensitive to aromatization, or the dose is too much, Aramasin is what I'd recommend, as Arimidex WILL drop your HDL!:eek: There's MUCH to this, and is probably far over your GP's head. I really recommend you look up a doc who does HRT, life extension, etc.,

I could type three pages on this, and the above is a small %, but a hell of a start. Guarantee a month into your levels going to the upper range, you'll be loving life, and it's far beyond just the sexual benefits... Best wishes!

* Forgot the asterisk. By "being our own Physicians," that's not a good thing at all! Is also quite sad, as guys now play Russian roulette with their bodies via being scared to talk to their doc, as what they're doing is now a FELONY thanks to the dumb fuck Bush and his buddies, in 1991..

 

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And if you've got some extra $, look into 75iu's HMG eod with your HCG protocol... Human menopausal gonadotropin.

Yeah, I would prefer to not be put on TRT if at all possible. I have no problem with taking it, but if I can do it on my own I would much rather that be the case as young as I am. I can save that for when I get older. My doc won't prescribe anything at all I'm sure, based on our prior interactions with other things, I think he is relatively clueless about it or will just refer me to somebody else, BUT I have a family member that works for a doc who specializes in internal medicine/infectious diseases and is highly renowned for his work....lots of his patients receive cocktails of medicine to keep them alive(HIV/AIDS is his specialty)...So I can only assume he would be the most knowledgeable doc to go to on the matter.

 

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Yep, thought that may have been the case. And ask your GP to write you a 10ml vial Depo Testosterone (is testosterone cypionate, some use enanthate, or could even be a blend), with 1 refill. I'd actually recommend what I personally do, but isn't necessarily for someone new to this. I use 29 gauge 1/2" insulin syringes, and backload them with 1/4ml-50mg, and inject in delts, triceps, or quads every other day. I highly recommend you learn about intramuscular injections, and realize this miracle is suspended in an oil as a carrier. (Means isn't the "shot" you see all the time, as being oily, takes time to inject it. And I do aspirated, as after 20yrs, have been filled a syringe with blood a handful of time.)

I'll say, 7 days after your first injection, you'll be noticing it. And after being on it for a month, you'll want to buy us a Ferrari lol, for mentioning this. Smart thing, would be your doc injecting you with testosterone propionate, and of course, the cypionate, or enanthate. All the prop does is "hit you" much faster- 2 days, and will "hang around" just long enough for the depo test to start working.

And shit, I just re-read your last sentence. Sounds like you've at least read some bodybuilding boards by saying "AI," where we've been forced to be "our own Physicians"* since the 1991 laws dumb ass Bush 1 screwed us with, literally handcuffing doctors, and yeah, no more good studies, meaning getting information from Europe, or elsewhere.. Sad! Please note, you WILL crush your libido even worse if you get too much aromatise inhibitor dose. Especially femara 2.5mg!:eek: I actuall don't use an AI on trt, but yes, when doing whats now called a "blast," ie., cycle.

So many sides an AI can cause by crushing estrogen, is a fine line you'll need to walk. Sure, puffy, itchy nips, big water retention, and you'd be a candidate, BUT do not use too much, or yes, you'll be back to not being able to "get things going," even on testosterone. Try without, and if you're sensitive to aromatization, or the dose is too much, Aramasin is what I'd recommend, as Arimidex WILL drop your HDL!:eek: There's MUCH to this, and is probably far over your GP's head. I really recommend you look up a doc who does HRT, life extension, etc.,

I could type three pages on this, and the above is a small %, but a hell of a start. Guarantee a month into your levels going to the upper range, you'll be loving life, and it's far beyond just the sexual benefits... Best wishes!

You push cyp through a 29g slin pin?

 

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And Achilles, the medical community will never tell you this openly, but with levels of testosterone that low, your IGF levels will also be affected, but here's some you'll really recognize, as you ARE at risk for these:
Heart disease
Diabetes (adipose tissue at midsection)
Depression- could even become major depression
No libido
No energy
MAJOR bone loss
Can't think straight if you tried
And the list goes on...

Anyone who knows me, KNOWS this is a hot topic for me, as us males are always so docile, we get shafted (forgive the pun lol), with OUR HEALTH. Why? Because they can...

 

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I use 29 gauge 1/2" insulin syringes, and backload them with 1/4ml-50mg, and inject in delts, triceps, or quads every other day.

Can you get it to even come out of one that small?!

 

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You push cyp through a 29g slin pin?

Oh yes! Very easy for me. Now nandrolone, no. But if it's a depo test, yes. I'll pull the plunger out of the insulin syringe, and back fill them. Try this, you'll love it! And a top notch hrt doc on the net even uses them to inject sub cue, as he does challenge the I.M necessity.. I need to load up a two week bag of syringes, and will post some pics later. Guys here will love me for this one.