Done it to carb load, and almost screwed it up, going flat. In addition, with family history, gave that up fast. Stack the above with tren, test, gh, eight meals/day, wicked heavy weights, and good sleep...:eek:
Oh well.. In another life..
Olympic lifters/Crossfit workout and diet thread
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Done it to carb load, and almost screwed it up, going flat. In addition, with family history, gave that up fast. Stack the above with tren, test, gh, eight meals/day, wicked heavy weights, and good sleep...:eek:
Oh well.. In another life..
^ Good god, he goes to 950mg/week tren, 950mg/week masteron at 2 weeks out! He's gotta be pissing iced tea at that point.:eek:
His Proviron use I agree with. Masteron as well, but that dose, no. And the need for pramipexolone, or cabergoline.. He should know that's what the winstrol's able to do, but again, these guys are throwing the toolbox into a 12 week prep. And he's just telling the truth. Rich Piana let's it out as well, but not like this. The remainder of the IFBB would gear up like that, but I've heard more among many others. The final irony is the look of health on stage... Makes me laugh loudly! Sad too though. Mike Matarazzo's passing is the one that really made me think. One of the nicest guys I've ever known. And the calves, I don't think anyone will ever touch.
His Proviron use I agree with. Masteron as well, but that dose, no. And the need for pramipexolone, or cabergoline.. He should know that's what the winstrol's able to do, but again, these guys are throwing the toolbox into a 12 week prep. And he's just telling the truth. Rich Piana let's it out as well, but not like this. The remainder of the IFBB would gear up like that, but I've heard more among many others. The final irony is the look of health on stage... Makes me laugh loudly! Sad too though. Mike Matarazzo's passing is the one that really made me think. One of the nicest guys I've ever known. And the calves, I don't think anyone will ever touch.
Btw, you're not suggesting I'd be safe to go 10iu's Humalog post w/o are you? If so...
Would love to, but just can't. Damnit.
lol!
Btw, you're not suggesting I'd be safe to go 10iu's Humalog post w/o are you? If so...
lolno.
Didn't know that. All I know, is after dropping below 5%, I felt miserable, and almost ached. The aching was of course, partly due to the crashing of my estrogen with Arimidex, winstrol, masteron, Proviron, and at the end, femara. (Yeah, I know, may be partly why I'm at the docs ofc now...)
^ These being the ones known to affect estrogen/progestins. Was also using test, tren, var, etc., Bruised easily at that body fat, ached, got the sniffles/colds very easily, shivered cold at times, and was just generally uncomfortable. Loved the outer space look, but very dangerous. Going below 6% I never recommend. And damn, the difference between 6% and 4% is night and day! The changes that occur, I can't really type out. It's just evil getting there, lol. If the CNS holds that much, imagine how "healthy" I was in the high 3's. Crash cart? Lol
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Was afraid you'd say that.
Was drinking ginger ales earlier, doing my designated driver gig, and thinking, "wonder what this and..." Yeah, I'll shitcan that idea for obvious reasons.And imagine the guys running around with Novolog pens, dialing up 10iu's pre meal 8x/day..:eek: One top name can't drive at night now, and wonders "was it the slin?" Lol
Last, this will be a thread that will rival those of 99% of the bodybuilding boards out there. So strange being a trading board. Lol! Drown can trade, and knows the iron game. Now if I can just convert him over to being a full blown Libertarian, we'd be a force to recon with!
Ooh rah!
I obviously haven't been here for awhile, hence the date of
Btw, for those of you reading this, drown knows his shit w/ a medical background, and from what I've read. Best thing is LISTEN to what he says. I was once damned serious about this until I discovered alcohol 6yrs ago, to "help" me sleep after two OIF tours. I even smoked cigarettes when I drank, and until recently, came clean of this total nightmare lock, stock and barrel. Bodybuilding (plus Jiu Jitsu), was my life at one time, and I was dumb enough to find something else that made me feel "better" WHILE DOING IT. NOT afterwords!
I was a former NPC guy who lived the life, and later caved in to ignorance, and have been "coming back" since in the last 6 months. Yes, I have been on trt (200mg depo test/week), since, but also have atrophied from the alcohol abuse, and paid for it. Don't go there. Either get all the way in, or get all the way out. There's no in between...
I can point out that there's so many idiots out here saying IFBB pro did this , and that, but it's about LONGEVITY, vs a short term deal that I guarantee you will cause you harm if you go the short term/"easy" way. One "former pro" (lower case on purpose), claims ___ IFBB Pro used 100+ IU's/pharm grade GH/day. I haven't called him out on this, but probably should as I know the former Mr. Olympia personally he's talking about as we once did a similar job, and we talked often. ___ IFBB Pro NEVER used that amount of GH, and even though he wasn't what I'd consider to be a "smart cookie," he was at least smart enough to know what not to do. And 100+ IU's GH/day = DISASTER! And what's sad is there's a cult following of this dickhead spewing this nonsense to others who may actually have enough $$$ to try it. And try it they may, and wind up with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, or other major league issues.
Drown, if you want to read that thread, pm me, and I'll give you the link as I'm sure you'd be able to call this "pro" out for it as he deserves. It's one hell of a long thread, but I'll try to find the page where ___ "used" that much GH. The rest of you, just follow what's being said here via drown, then I'll chime in w/ food advice from time to time, as what you eat is 70%+ of this game, NOT what you inject/swallow.
Last, this will be a thread that will rival those of 99% of the bodybuilding boards out there. So strange being a trading board. Lol! Drown can trade, and knows the iron game. Now if I can just convert him over to being a full blown Libertarian, we'd be a force to recon with!
Ooh rah!
I haven't been here in a while. Hence the date of the post I am quoting.
Long story short, I'm not religious when it comes to crossfit workouts, but I am good for 3 or 4 body weight workouts per week. At least I used to be. But I hurt my back a couple of months ago while doing some awkward repetitive lifting, not workout related. It was something which happened very suddenly My back was not hurting or even feeling strained in the least before I felt a pop and I went to my knees in pain. The doctor said it was a sprained sacroiliac.
Bottom line is: I am quoting this post because I know all about the alcohol abuse and atrophy. Well, not the science behind it, but the reality of it. I couldn't do anything. I could barely sit at my desk for more than a few minutes without having to lie down. I was a bored, angry, frustrated 47 year old who has been in outstanding shape ever since junior high football. I've only gained a little weight, but I can only do about 6 kipped pullups now, after being able to do 8 dead hang pullups before. (I know, there are 47 year olds in much worse shape than me) But there has obviously been a significant amount of atrophy along with some fat gain.
I guess I'm looking for a little confirmation that I'm easing back into this in the right way. (The doctor didn't have much to say, other than "take it easy, and start working out again when you are comfortable with it.) I obviously don't want to hurt my back again, but I know babying it is also a very bad idea. Use it or lose it, they say, especially when it comes to the back. Back extensions are out of the question at this point, not that I ever did them anyway.
Here's my version of the right way:
Basically living my life while trying to remember not to lift anything awkwardly.
Kipped pullups
Pushups
Jumpropes
Burpees tend to strain my back a little, but in a good way. Hopefully I know when to quit.
I'm surprised at how much air squats effect my back, so I take it easy. I think I need more weight on the heels. (I was never good at deadlifts or back squats.)
I'm easing into situps. I like putting a boat cushion under me to increase the effort required.
Hanging knees to chest from a pullup bar. I've always loved these damned things for some reason.
Running. I run a little, but not much, but I sudden'y have the urge. Bad idea for the back??? I just don't know.
I keep thinking about going back to a crossfit gym. I was a member just a few years ago, but the olympic lifting just seems out of the question. If there was just a bodyweight crossfit gym near me, I would join in a second.
I quoted LEAPup's post out of honesty, as I have really been pounding the beer lately, mainly out of frustration and boredom. But it at least has been subsiding a little along with my ability to be somewhat active again. I know alcohol dehydrates, and is horribly counter productive to building muscle and getting back in shape, so that doesn't need to be brought up. Water from the well at the farm is as good as it gets. And I drink a lot of it.
Thanks for letting me ramble. There is a real sense of honesty in this thread, and I appreciate that.
Thanks guys.
You've got a good bit going on there. Will touch on the alcohol, and see what op says about the rest. My training's DC training btw, which is geared towards bodybuilding. Yes, extremely heavy weights are used, but still a bodybuilding program.
As for the alcohol, was thinking about that this evening. Dropped my Son off at his friends place on south end of the island, and was thinking about what is be doing about now if I were still sick. Rolled the windows down, opened panorama sunroof (big time, lol
), and drove the coastal highway, A1A actually enjoying the music, and ocean breeze without needing to "help it" be even better... And yeah, done most of the dumb stuff, including train while in a blackout. More than once.. After burying my Dad last year (mismanaged diabetes non alcoholic liv cirrhosis, then cancer..), and finding I have fatty liver disease, it all had to end, but took months even then, relapse, after relapse.
After I had finally decided enough was enough, my doc pit me on Antabuse and Librium, Librium for detox at home. My Doc here is a recovering alcoholic, and knew my bullshit when I tried. He finally said, "you a take a Antabuse, and that a it." Well, I did that. Was serious for the first time. And the only screw up? Went to the intracoastal waterway to wade out and fish due to boredom. Well, thought this Antabuse was baby stuff, and I could at least go buy an ice cold 24oz can. (And as you know, "that one would have been my only drink..") Ok, I'm about to wade out in the water with other fishing nerds, and took a big sip. Nothing happened so a few more. Wasn't ten minutes, and in the water, hr went way up, bp I could feel was up, sweating profusely, and yeah, vomiting like I've never vomited before. Thought I would die vs all those other times where "I thought I'd die," only to do it again the next day. If you get that, lol. Soooo, learned that shit works, lol! Haven't had a drink since.
Was in a cvs today, and seeing someone buying beer in front of me, I literally shivered. If you've ever drank a ton of beer, and shivered when taking a leak, that's the shiver I get seeing alcohol. Just makes me sick all the way around looking at it. I'll be able to sit in a restaurant/club with friends, and some chicks who all consume some alcohol, but I try not to pay attention to their drinks, not as I'd want one, but because I get physically ill at the thought. The memories of what I've done to myself, relationships, and bodybuilding goals just makes me sick. Hard to put words to it. Also, don't take Antabuse anymore,minor anything else related. Stopped the Antabuse after two months due to my already compromised liver. Plus, just didn't need it. Wouldn't drink if threatened with an alligator, and that's no joke.
Met a large group that rivals AA IMO. And nothing against AA. Bill W was a retail broker, as I once was, lol. My problem, is half there are court ordered, and just dying for,the meeting to end so,they can drink. In addition, it's hard to stop drinking when you're told "am powerless over alcohol.." Lol! I used to raise udder hell over that, and was told I'm just angry over the process. Probably was, but the on line group I found, "did it" for me, and I've not seen AA since. Again, nothing against AA, as they do mean well, and do make a difference. Their numbers just can't rival what I found. And you should stop in to check out the seven day thread here: http://www.smartrecovery.org/community/showthread.php?t=49741#.VCdMobO9KK0
After that, there's a toolbox there, that's invaluable. Akin to Jay Citler saying, "come on down with a lot of paper, and pen so I can go over exactly every secret, plus contest prep secrets, real nutrition, etc.," Is a gift.
Still have some anxiety, and IBS was a result as of recent. None the less, am 100:1 better. And actually pretty happy as well. I guess, happy I have a chance vs not long ago as then, was basically dying. In more ways than one.. For anxiety, I'm curious what op may recommend there. I don't care for the occasional need for 0.5mg clonazepam. Of course, that coming from a guy who'd inject 1,500mg Sustanon, and drink 15 drinks at once over 2-3hr period.
And your last paragraph is interesting as I know it all too well. I absolutely drank due to boredom. Frustration, yes. Anger, yes. Anxiety, oh yes. And if happy over something, a few drinks was always a great idea (at the time, lol) to make it even better. I'd believe you could be a candidate for Antabuse, but your doc will most certainly do labs IF he/she writes it. Yes, if he or she says they don't write Antabuse, and want to send you to a Psychiatrist to have him write it, go find a different doc.
If you lived in a north FL, or were coming here, I'd refer you to the actual doc who was a drunk like me at one time, and helped immensely. And if you aren't aware, you need to know detoxing cold turkey can be deadly. If you're drinking daily, and a good amount, coming off clean isn't smart at all. Thismismwjere the benzos (Librium) come in. OR, you can wean, which I don't recommend, as isn't effective for making you quit. In addition to the above, I also went through an outpatient program where I did two, two hour meetings a week. The Ph.D who,runs the small "botique" substance abuse outpatient climic was about brain chemistry, and changing it with amino acids, vitamins, even whey protein. Yes, your dopamine is as screwed up as a soup sandwich, among numerous others that need RE-WIRED! AA won't tell you this, as they don't know it, and couldn't understand it if they tried. Is done with some "chemicals," that make such a difference, is stunning. Aminos, Whey, vitamins, taurine, intense exercise, clean, non-fried low glycemic meals, etc., All AA can do is talk about how bad the last car crash felt hitting the tree. Sorry, but true. Enough of that. You've got a shot (forgive the pun, lol), if you'll take it. As you know, it's up to you. And damn, haven't typed that much in some time, lol! I'll take a case of ginger ales, or coconut water when you're clean and mean.
Forgot to mention, there is some new "breakthrough" in addictions called Kratom. Haven't used it, and don't know much about it, but am told by three former hard core drunks, it's working like no Librium ever could to keep them from drinking. I'm far past the urge to drink, but would have tired the Kratom if I had known of it. One note, I do hear large dosing produces a euphoric high, so beware of that, even though "they" say it's non addictive.
As for the alcohol, was thinking about that this evening. Dropped my Son off at his friends place on south end of the island, and was thinking about what is be doing about now if I were still sick. Rolled the windows down, opened panorama sunroof (big time, lol
), and drove the coastal highway, A1A actually enjoying the music, and ocean breeze without needing to "help it" be even better... And yeah, done most of the dumb stuff, including train while in a blackout. More than once.. After burying my Dad last year (mismanaged diabetes non alcoholic liv cirrhosis, then cancer..), and finding I have fatty liver disease, it all had to end, but took months even then, relapse, after relapse.After I had finally decided enough was enough, my doc pit me on Antabuse and Librium, Librium for detox at home. My Doc here is a recovering alcoholic, and knew my bullshit when I tried. He finally said, "you a take a Antabuse, and that a it." Well, I did that. Was serious for the first time. And the only screw up? Went to the intracoastal waterway to wade out and fish due to boredom. Well, thought this Antabuse was baby stuff, and I could at least go buy an ice cold 24oz can. (And as you know, "that one would have been my only drink..") Ok, I'm about to wade out in the water with other fishing nerds, and took a big sip. Nothing happened so a few more. Wasn't ten minutes, and in the water, hr went way up, bp I could feel was up, sweating profusely, and yeah, vomiting like I've never vomited before. Thought I would die vs all those other times where "I thought I'd die," only to do it again the next day. If you get that, lol. Soooo, learned that shit works, lol! Haven't had a drink since.
Was in a cvs today, and seeing someone buying beer in front of me, I literally shivered. If you've ever drank a ton of beer, and shivered when taking a leak, that's the shiver I get seeing alcohol. Just makes me sick all the way around looking at it. I'll be able to sit in a restaurant/club with friends, and some chicks who all consume some alcohol, but I try not to pay attention to their drinks, not as I'd want one, but because I get physically ill at the thought. The memories of what I've done to myself, relationships, and bodybuilding goals just makes me sick. Hard to put words to it. Also, don't take Antabuse anymore,minor anything else related. Stopped the Antabuse after two months due to my already compromised liver. Plus, just didn't need it. Wouldn't drink if threatened with an alligator, and that's no joke.
Met a large group that rivals AA IMO. And nothing against AA. Bill W was a retail broker, as I once was, lol. My problem, is half there are court ordered, and just dying for,the meeting to end so,they can drink. In addition, it's hard to stop drinking when you're told "am powerless over alcohol.." Lol! I used to raise udder hell over that, and was told I'm just angry over the process. Probably was, but the on line group I found, "did it" for me, and I've not seen AA since. Again, nothing against AA, as they do mean well, and do make a difference. Their numbers just can't rival what I found. And you should stop in to check out the seven day thread here: http://www.smartrecovery.org/community/showthread.php?t=49741#.VCdMobO9KK0
After that, there's a toolbox there, that's invaluable. Akin to Jay Citler saying, "come on down with a lot of paper, and pen so I can go over exactly every secret, plus contest prep secrets, real nutrition, etc.," Is a gift.
Still have some anxiety, and IBS was a result as of recent. None the less, am 100:1 better. And actually pretty happy as well. I guess, happy I have a chance vs not long ago as then, was basically dying. In more ways than one.. For anxiety, I'm curious what op may recommend there. I don't care for the occasional need for 0.5mg clonazepam. Of course, that coming from a guy who'd inject 1,500mg Sustanon, and drink 15 drinks at once over 2-3hr period.
And your last paragraph is interesting as I know it all too well. I absolutely drank due to boredom. Frustration, yes. Anger, yes. Anxiety, oh yes. And if happy over something, a few drinks was always a great idea (at the time, lol
) to make it even better. I'd believe you could be a candidate for Antabuse, but your doc will most certainly do labs IF he/she writes it. Yes, if he or she says they don't write Antabuse, and want to send you to a Psychiatrist to have him write it, go find a different doc.If you lived in a north FL, or were coming here, I'd refer you to the actual doc who was a drunk like me at one time, and helped immensely. And if you aren't aware, you need to know detoxing cold turkey can be deadly. If you're drinking daily, and a good amount, coming off clean isn't smart at all. Thismismwjere the benzos (Librium) come in. OR, you can wean, which I don't recommend, as isn't effective for making you quit. In addition to the above, I also went through an outpatient program where I did two, two hour meetings a week. The Ph.D who,runs the small "botique" substance abuse outpatient climic was about brain chemistry, and changing it with amino acids, vitamins, even whey protein. Yes, your dopamine is as screwed up as a soup sandwich, among numerous others that need RE-WIRED! AA won't tell you this, as they don't know it, and couldn't understand it if they tried. Is done with some "chemicals," that make such a difference, is stunning. Aminos, Whey, vitamins, taurine, intense exercise, clean, non-fried low glycemic meals, etc., All AA can do is talk about how bad the last car crash felt hitting the tree. Sorry, but true. Enough of that. You've got a shot (forgive the pun, lol), if you'll take it. As you know, it's up to you. And damn, haven't typed that much in some time, lol! I'll take a case of ginger ales, or coconut water when you're clean and mean.
Forgot to mention, there is some new "breakthrough" in addictions called Kratom. Haven't used it, and don't know much about it, but am told by three former hard core drunks, it's working like no Librium ever could to keep them from drinking. I'm far past the urge to drink, but would have tired the Kratom if I had known of it. One note, I do hear large dosing produces a euphoric high, so beware of that, even though "they" say it's non addictive.
I need an audio book for this page... back later.
I'll say that I perceive many CF exercises as shit. Many lead to long-term injury; knees, lower-back, etc. Torn ligaments. I really like to do Oly lifts as they are explosive movements and cause endo-production of GH. Like guys who swear by declines or whatever, as though hitting the chest from different angles will impact the fascia in anything other than a binary (notification) contraction and relaxation. The only other inputs are ecc/concentric.
Anyway, I change stuff up with periodization, low-high reps, etc. I add "cardio" in the CF-sense with high-rep Oly snatches, and CJs. I like to do CF "cardio" snatch on leg day and C&J on back day. Anyway, rambling.
I'll say that I perceive many CF exercises as shit. Many lead to long-term injury; knees, lower-back, etc. Torn ligaments. I really like to do Oly lifts as they are explosive movements and cause endo-production of GH. Like guys who swear by declines or whatever, as though hitting the chest from different angles will impact the fascia in anything other than a binary (notification) contraction and relaxation. The only other inputs are ecc/concentric.
Anyway, I change stuff up with periodization, low-high reps, etc. I add "cardio" in the CF-sense with high-rep Oly snatches, and CJs. I like to do CF "cardio" snatch on leg day and C&J on back day. Anyway, rambling.
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