Olympic Games

cesfx said:
So far it all seems by the rules and Imane didn't deserve the abuse she got.
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Perhaps she didnt.

Im no expert on that science and took what I read at face value.

Born as a woman would actually make a big difference in my mind.Her condition could perhaps be compared to superior genetics,which obviously occurs in either gender?

I shouldnt have chimed in on this and I apologise if I have encouraged misinformation on this topic.
 
semperfrosty said:
Perhaps she didnt.

Im no expert on that science and took what I read at face value.

Born as a woman would actually make a big difference in my mind.Her condition could perhaps be compared to superior genetics,which obviously occurs in either gender?

I shouldnt have chimed in on this and I apologise if I have encouraged misinformation on this topic.
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You are fine, understandable reaction when misinformed.

I also first read we had a man boxing women and thought wtf!

There were lots of insults on social media.
 
semperfrosty said:
Perhaps she didnt.

Im no expert on that science and took what I read at face value.

Born as a woman would actually make a big difference in my mind.Her condition could perhaps be compared to superior genetics,which obviously occurs in either gender?

I shouldnt have chimed in on this and I apologise if I have encouraged misinformation on this topic.
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Well, you can't even say born female anymore. The "correct" terminology is "assigned" female at birth (assuming she ever gets born (excuse me, assigned), which itself is problematic these days).
 
kandlekid said:
Well, you can't even say born female anymore. The "correct" terminology is "assigned" female at birth (assuming she ever gets born (excuse me, assigned), which itself is problematic these days).
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Jesus!

What a minefield!

i'm gonna stay over at the Bitcoin threads going forward! :D
 
semperfrosty said:
My blood is boiling over men being able to compete in boxing against women!

Seeing that man at 66kg floor his opponent with a single punch and stop her had me raging.

Everyone can do what they want in this life IMO,I'm open minded enough to view peoples differences as 'interesting'.However,when the world says,"we're so terrified of not being seen as inclusive" that we will put an athletes health at risk to ensure thats not the case,thats when I realise its gone too far.

We are at peak wokeness and it needs to be walked back from here.

There is such a thing as circumstance.I wanted to be a 6'11" basketballer and dominate the NBA.Didnt happen so I moved on,I didnt petition the league to have to include 6 foot white guys with mediocre skills to be included on each time as a requirement and upon risk of cancellation.

More on topic,I did not expect Australia to be beaten in Rugby Union by Canada and America.One of the reasons I very rarely bet on sports.
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Biological Men Undermining Womens Sports
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/biological-men-undermining-womens-sports.380533/
 
cesfx said:
Imane Khelif is a woman with hyperandrogenism.

She was never a man in her life, not even at birth.
Dressed as a girl, competed in women boxing all her life, and lost plenty of fights.
She fought 51 fights around the world in women categories and lost 9 of those.

One could make an argument on how people with hyperandrogenism are to be considered in sport...

But she is not a transgender and neither a man.
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Sort of hard to explain the XY chromosomes that show up in the testing then...

Khelif, as well as Lin Yu-ting of Taiwan, were permitted to take part in the Olympics after being disqualified from the International Boxing Association [IBA]'s world championships in 2023 for failing gender eligibility tests. The IBA released a statement last week saying that the two boxers "did not undergo a testosterone examination" but were subject to "separate and recognized" tests that will remain confidential.

IBA president Umar Kremlev told the Russian news agency Tass last year that Khelif and Lin were disqualified from the world championships because "it was proven they have XY chromosomes."
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The IOC, which is overseeing the boxing competition in Paris and cut ties with the IBA last June, does not conduct tests for XY chromosomes or elevated levels of testosterone, and said the "gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport."

https://www.newsweek.com/maga-olympics-boxer-algerian-imane-khelif-gender-man-1933642
 
cesfx said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis


Maga's claim a person born with a vagina is a man, because of a genetic disorder.

I guess MAGA's support transgenders then :)
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Personally, I think the correct thing to do is to give the XX females the benefit of the doubt
concerning this. If a person is a one in a million XY "female" then I think by my logic
they should be disqualified from competing in XX female's sports (simply because it's
not clear what gender they are, at least to me ... that is if there is such a thing as gender
anymore).
 
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