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Oh snap! White house trying to take down video
- Thread starter ChkitOut
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Quote from AK Forty Seven:
1)History lesson.Once government grows or gets new power it rarely gives it back.More blame goes to people who gave us the patriot act,TSA etc because Obama,McCain nor Romney is going to give that power back
Fact-Government has expanded more under Reagan ,Bush and Bush then it did under Carter,Clinton and Obama so if you want smaller government keep the party out who that keeps expanding it
2)Please point me to where Romney said he would end the patriot act or TSA .If he isnt and you are going to vote for him its hypocritical of you to complain about Obama not doing it
1) Absolutely true, which is why we need a Ron Paul like President. Guys like him and Christie appear to be the only ones on either side willing to cut govt.
2) Absolutely false, I have a choice between 2 guys or no vote. On the whole I disagree with obama on just about EVERYTHING. Romney is the better choice for me. I could not vote but I view obama as a destructive anti American pres and he has to go. Calling me a hypocrite because of one issue is foolish, you don't agree 100% with obama (i hope) but you'll be voting for him, right?
Quote from AK Forty Seven:
The individual mandate isnt unprecedented ,Romney did it first
It wasn't on the federal level. Look if we are expected to abide by our laws then that means all of them. The Constitution is top dog, Congress doesn't have the authority to mandate us to buy shit, they just don't. At the state level things are different.. i disagree with it at every level.
Quote from Lucrum:
I agree.
This is pretty disturbing. Between this and the 'special prosecutor' for Zimmerman, WHO WAS FOUND INNOCENT by law enforcement, it seems that obama will do anything to push his agenda. Add in breaking bankruptcy law in the case of GM and Chrysler, as well as the individual mandate and the only conclusion is - he doesn't respect or honor our rights if they get in his way. Fuck him.
Quote from PiggyBank:
Yeah I get what you're saying but this is the wrong way to go about it. We have the most powerful military the world has ever known, our soldiers should be over there laying down the law, THEN once the pandemonium has ceased we can try and talk it out. They drew first blood and should be dealing with the consequences.. yet the only action obama has taken is to arrest the film producer, WTF!? The Pres wouldn't be 'defending' the video, simply the right to produce and display it. That IS what we believe here, and that IS our RIGHT. It is too fucking bad for the muslims if they dont't like it. We don't change for them, we don't cave to them, they committed crimes, we did not. The focus should be on these fucking terrorists, NOT the film or it's producer.
It makes me seriously uneasy that the producer has been arrested, it should make everyone uneasy.. the judge better not throw his ass back in the joint for this. What kind of parole terms are: you can't use the internet, anyway? Whether he did technically violate his terms is irrelevant, HE shouldn't be the focus and OUR govt shouldn't even be searching for reasons to punish him.. that is APPEASEMENT. It is what Egyptian officials wanted and what they had the balls to demand instead of apologizing. They will see this as victory and it will fuel their aggression even more.
The right response initially to Egypt was an ultimatum "you apologize and give your word to uphold your responsibility to protect our people there OR we leave now and you get nothing from us". What has actually happened is all wrong on the part of the admin.
Well, it is easy to say that we are the most powerful military and we should be laying the law, but much harder to actually do it. What are we going to do, dispatch enough soldiers to police Lybia? Does this attack even merit a military response on our part and if so what is proportionate and what would the objective be? Or should we demand that the Libyan government -whatever the fuck that might be - round up the rioters and prosecute them in a court of law?
What I understand of the film maker is that the Feds visited his parole officer to see whether he may have violated the terms of the parole. And I agree with you that this seems picayune and overly solitious to the "feelings" of the Muslims.
This is a political black hole for any President. The Middle East is
always an ocean of gasoline awaiting a match. I always stand by the right of free speech, I oppose censorship and governmental actions designed to chill speech. However, our government has not said anything about the video itself being in violation of any law. But I thinkthe Feds should investigate the video fully and those involved in its later version for the following reason: The timing of the attack is on the anniversary of 9/11 and the Muslim world became aware of the video after Glenn Beck-style TV pundit in Egyp, Sheikh Khalad Abdalla called attention to the Arab version of it. So it would seem the riot was not spontaneous but planned, and this video was used to rouse the rabble.
I agree that the attack is more than the killing of an Ambassador, his aide, and two fomer Navy Seals dispatched to the consulate. It is a symbolic attack on our country by groups within a fractured and divided country emerging from a civil war. I think we have to balance our sense of outrage and desire for justice and revenge with a sense of realism and sense of what's possible.
When Reagan ordered an fighter-bomber attack on Quadaffi, he did it in response to Libya's involvement in the 1986 disco bombing in West Berlin. If it is found out that Libya - the country - the government - orchestrated the embassy attack of last week, then by all means, bomb them. You have a target. I think.
Who is running the show over there anyway?
Quote from pspr:
And the democraps gave us the Big Deal, The Great Society, the housing crisis, the banking crisis, the great recession, ObamaCare and the greatest spender in all of history, Barack Obama.
And his worthless ass has to go!
Don't forget to add that the democraps gave us the libtards and the libtards gave us resistant strains of tuberculosis, herpes, and budget deficits.
Quote from L-Kabong:
Well, it is easy to say that we are the most powerful military and we should be laying the law, but much harder to actually do it. What are we going to do, dispatch enough soldiers to police Lybia? Does this attack even merit a military response on our part and if so what is proportionate and what would the objective be? Or should we demand that the Libyan government -whatever the fuck that might be - round up the rioters and prosecute them in a court of law?
What I understand of the film maker is that the Feds visited his parole officer to see whether he may have violated the terms of the parole. And I agree with you that this seems picayune and overly solitious to the "feelings" of the Muslims.
This is a political black hole for any President. The Middle East is
always an ocean of gasoline awaiting a match. I always stand by the right of free speech, I oppose censorship and governmental actions designed to chill speech. However, our government has not said anything about the video itself being in violation of any law.
I agree that the attack is more than the killing of an Ambassador, his aide, and two fomer Navy Seals dispatched to the consulate. It is a symbolic attack on our country by groups within a fractured and divided country emerging from a civil war. I think we have to balance our sense of outrage and desire for justice and revenge with a sense of realism and sense of what's possible.
When Reagan ordered an fighter-bomber attack on Quadaffi, he did it in response to Libya's involvement in the 1986 disco bombing in West Berlin. If it is found out that Libya - the country - the government - orchestrated the embassy attack of last week, then by all means, bomb them. You have a target. I think.
Who is running the show over there anyway?
I think we are closer to agreement than not. I didn't mean we should invade Libya, but i didn't really make it clear. Since the initial riot in egypt, it has spread all over the region, ironically it appears that in Libya, where our people were murdered, they DID actually try and protect us. it is simply a broken country, as you said, whose new govt doesn't really have the strength yet to deal with stuff like this. Also, I agree with you that we can't just bomb away as that wouldn't be right and an investigation is the best course of action, we should only demand their cooperation. Those responsible for the attack have to suffer the consequences.. we can't forget or forgive, it just isn't acceptable.
Elsewhere, the military should be excessively present at any and every establishment that our people occupy in the region, and any attacks should be met with deadly force. this is what I meant by stopping the pandemonium. This could either escalate things or cool them off, who knows which, but it is the right course of action. If we aren't prepared to do this then tuck tail and bring them home. This course of action in conjunction with the arrest of the film maker, would be seen as victory to the zealots, and rightfully so.
I didn't see your edit and that is suspicious, but the guy who made the video should not be punished.. for making the video. That is a total violation of the 1st Amendment and every American should let the feds know it. I know that isn't the official story but really, no one would have gave a damn if this didn't happen. his arrest is textbook appeasement especially at this time.
Quote from PiggyBank:
I didn't see your edit and that is suspicious, but the guy who made the video should not be punished.. for making the video. That is a total violation of the 1st Amendment and every American should let the feds know it. I know that isn't the official story but really, no one would have gave a damn if this didn't happen. his arrest is textbook appeasement especially at this time.
I didn't mean that the government ought to investigate the original producer of the video but rather look into the Arab language version of the video that played to Arab world. It was publicized on Sept 8 by a well known Egyptian talk show host and 3 days later the Arabs are taking to the streets. I think a terrorist group may well have supplied the Arab language video to the talk show host to help foment riots as a cover for thier attack.
Quote from L-Kabong:
I didn't mean that the government ought to investigate the original producer of the video but the Arab language version of the video that played to Arab world. It was publicized on Sept 8 by a well known Egyptian talk show host and 3 days later the Arabs are taking to the streetsd. I think a terrorist group may well have supplied the Arab language video to and dropped it inthe hands of the talks show host in the hope to foment riots as a cover for thier attack.
Sounds about right. Libya was clearly planned well in advance.