Oh Man, I'm Flat

Oldtime, how does it work when you are trading a non USD based pair in a USD account? I've always avoided these pairs in a USD denominated account because isn't there a double exchange rate to consider?

For example:

short eur.aud -> short eur.usd X long aud.usd
 
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Oldtime, how does it work when you are trading a non USD based pair in a USD account? I've always avoided these pairs in a USD denominated account because isn't there a double exchange rate to consider?

For example:

short eur.aud -> short eur.usd X long aud.usd
you tell me

I'm just a beginner

I know no matter how I do it I have a hell of a lot of carry to overcome

I've traded this Cad in the past and when all said and done it was profitable

everynow and then Jack Larkin shows up and tries to straighten me out

difficult for me to talk to other traders because sometimes I am just talking about one pair, and other times I am talking about the whole portfolio
 
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you tell me

I'm just a beginner

I know no matter how Io it I have a hell of a lot of carry to overcome

I've traded this Cad in the past and when all said and done it was profitable

everynow and then Jack Larkin shows up and tries to straighten me out

difficult for me to talk to other traders because sometimes I am just talking about one pair, and other times I am talking about the whole portfolio

You're a beginner. You had all of 2012 to play with this. I was trading XAUUSD last year. I've only been trading forex in 2013.

All of this gets rather complicated.

Example:

Short EUR.AUD
Short AUD.USD

But Short EUR.AUD => Short EUR.USD X Long AUD.USD. So if you're also shorting AUD.USD, you just cancelled out the Long AUD.USD.

Conclusion: I guess you should have just gone short EUR.USD

This spreading must leave you scratching your head at times wondering how much redundancy you have built into your trades.

Not a criticism; just an observation.
 
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You're a beginner. You had all of 2012 to play with this. I was trading XAUUSD last year. I've only been trading forex in 2013.

All of this gets rather complicated.

Example:

Short EUR.AUD
Short AUD.USD

But Short EUR.AUD => Short EUR.USD X Long AUD.USD. So if you're also shorting AUD.USD, you just cancelled out the Long AUD.USD.

Conclusion: I guess you should have just gone short EUR.USD

This spreading must leave you scratching your head at times wondering how much redundancy you have built into your trades.

Not a criticism; just an observation.
yes, I've talked about this many times

at 1 to one you might as well just put on the cross

but as one side gets lopsided it is just as difficult to figure out what you actually are

like I said, whatever I have on, I put the cross up on my screen

but what am I if I am long 2 aud.usd and short 1 eur.usd? Or 3 to one?
 
it all started when I was long chf against 3 currencies
and short chf against 3 currencies
I had 80 pip stops in on everything
that was the night of the snb peg

my losers traded through the stops by as much as 20 pips

but you know what happened to my winners

I got flat and just started thinking
and it kind of progressed from there

at first there was a lot of cancelling, but then I started averaging down
and then I started adding to winners

and then I started making some kind of consistent money
although it certainly hasn't been a straight road up

but it beats the heck out of guessing what ES is going to do
 
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but what am I if I am long 2 aud.usd and short 1 eur.usd? Or 3 to one?

Yes, I know. This is where I start scratching my own head. Now, if you threw a long aud.eur, I would wonder what was going on inside of your head. This is why I am inclined to stick to pairs where the base is the same as the currency of my trading account.
 
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Yes, I know. This is where I start scratching my own head. Now, if you threw a long aud.eur, I would wonder what was going on inside of your head. This is why I am inclined to stick to pairs where the base is the same as the currency of my trading account.
because I am worried about a move in usd

in this case I am 25% exposed long usd.cad

in the other case, my base could be moving all over the place

I was betting on a stable usd

now I am betting on a stable cad
 
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because I am worried about a move in usd

in this case I am 25% exposed long usd.cad

in the other case, my base could be moving all over the place

I was betting on a stable usd

now I am betting on a stable cad
it's kind of a bass akwards way of thinking about things

theoretically, before I was 50% long and 50% short usd

now (if I ever get filled) I will be 25% long usd

But right or wrong, I want to be exposed to something that is moving
 
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it's kind of a bass akwards way of thinking about things

theortically, before I was 50% long and 50% short usd

now (if I ever get filled) I will be 25% long usd

But right or wrong, I want to be exposed to something that is moving

Why is that? Could it because you want to profit from its direction? I can see the balancing act you're playing, but in the end you too are looking for that directional trade. If you get it right, you make money, otherwise you lose money.

So, I'm back to where I was. Investments traded in USD. Forex trading with one currency pair: EURUSD. So far, I'm in the red on my most recent trade. Lots of people do focus on a single item to trade and do very well.
 
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Why is that? Could it because you want to profit from its direction? I can see the balancing act you're playing, but in the end you too are looking for that directional trade. If you get it right, you make money, otherwise you lose money.

So, I'm back to where I was. Investments traded in USD. Forex trading with one currency pair: EURUSD. So far, I'm in the red on my most recent trade. Lots of people do focus on a single item to trade and do very well.
where you been kid? all spread traders are directional, it's just we like trading the spread better than the outright

it's been that way since the beginning of time
 
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