Ocean carbon release 'ended last Ice Age'

[futurecurrents]

Why would any scientist say anything to the contrary? There is too much grant money on the line.

No, there really isn't. The vast majority of climate scientists get paid no matter what facts they find. It's time to end this ridiculous charge of the dumb denialists.

 

[Max E.]

Why would any scientist say anything to the contrary? There is too much grant money on the line.

You mean to tell me that these wholesome scientists who are just looking out for the good of humanity wouldnt say "Nothing to worry about here, you should probably cut my budget and eliminate my job," If that was the case? Im stunned.

 

[jem]

1. tip off that fc's article is a propaganda piece ...

"The additional rise and fall in temperatures beyond the 5 degrees C range can only be explained by the effects of CO2 concentration in the atmosphere due to various feedback or forcing mechanisms."

2. by the way fc how is your coldest day in 2 decades going.

Ice ages are due to variations in earth's astronomical cycles. (Also known as: Milankovitch cycles.)

Earth's rotation isn’t stable; it wobbles a little like a gyroscope. This alters the distribution of solar energy hitting the earth. Nor is earth's orbit a perfect circle around the sun, it is elliptical and the shape of the ellipse varies over time. (See footnote for more detail.)

When less solar energy is received earth enters into an ice age; when earth begins to receive more solar energy it comes out of the ice age. The amount of solar energy and the resulting changes to temperature this has can be worked out and it amounts to around 5 degrees C.

As the earth’s temperature begins to drop feedback occur that reduce the amount of CO2 being produced and atmospheric concentrations begin to fall.

At the end of an ice age as more solar energy is received and again as temperatures begin to rise; feedbacks begin to produce more CO2 increasing CO2 concentrations.

Another way of describing this is that the initial temperature changes at the beginnings and ends of ice ages are caused by changes in orbital forcing. These temperature changes have effects on the natural carbon, nitrogen, and methane cycles.

In particular, initial warming reduces ocean uptake of atmospheric carbon (because warmer water can absorb less CO2 from the atmosphere), and warmer temperatures increase the decay rate of vegetative matter.

Similarly, cooling at the start of an ice age increases ocean uptake and reduces emissions from vegetative decay.

In other words, CO2 does not initiate the cooling or warming, but acts as an amplifier once they are underway.

It's estimated that CO2 (along with other greenhouse gases CH4 and N2O) causes about half of the full glacial-to-interglacial warming.

https://sites.google.com/site/thepa...ifferent-today-1/ice-ages-and-the-role-of-co2

 

[futurecurrents]

1. tip off that fc's articles is a propaganda piece ...

"The additional rise and fall in temperatures beyond the 5 degrees C range can only be explained by the effects of CO2 concentration in the atmosphere due to various feedback or forcing mechanisms."

2. by the way fc how is your coldest day in 2 decades going.

We understand jerm. To you, science is propaganda.

2. BTW, thanks for reaffirming that you are so stupid to think that cold weather somehow disproves AGW.

 

[gwb-trading]

We understand jerm. To you, science is propaganda.

2. BTW, thanks for reaffirming that you are so stupid to think that cold weather somehow disproves AGW.

Yes, the lack of rising temperatures when you don't use data that has been corrected pretty much disproves AGW.

 

[jem]

saying "The additional rise and fall in temperatures beyond the 5 degrees C range can only be explained by the effects of CO2 concentration in the atmosphere due to various feedback or forcing mechanisms."

is so anti science it is almost troll lie.


before one could say that... you would have to recognize and rule all all other poential forcings.
its a disgustingly anti science statement.

We understand jerm. To you, science is propaganda.

2. BTW, thanks for reaffirming that you are so stupid to think that cold weather somehow disproves AGW.

 

[futurecurrents]

saying "The additional rise and fall in temperatures beyond the 5 degrees C range can only be explained by the effects of CO2 concentration in the atmosphere due to various feedback or forcing mechanisms."

is so anti science it is almost troll lie.


before one could say that... you would have to recognize and rule all all other poential forcings.
its a disgustingly anti science statement.

No, you see my child, there is this thing called the scientific process and knowledge and logic and stuff, they DID consider other forcings and feedbacks and orbital changes and ........you wouldn't understand.

 

[gwb-trading]

No, you see my child, there is this thing called the scientific process and knowledge and logic and stuff, they DID consider other forcings and feedbacks and orbital changes and ........you wouldn't understand.

Yes, you are retarded. You won't know scientific process if you hit you in the side of the head.

 

[jem]

then why have the models failed for the last 18 years? they predicted temperature would rise significantly it did not.

they have little idea the system is complex and it has been much warmer and co2 has been much higher. how do they explain that?

its just guess work... and the failed models show it was bad guesses.

No, you see my child, there is this thing called the scientific process and knowledge and logic and stuff, they DID consider other forcings and feedbacks and orbital changes and ........you wouldn't understand.

 

[futurecurrents]

then why have the models failed for the last 18 years? they predicted temperature would rise significantly it did not.

they have little idea the system is complex and it has been much warmer and co2 has been much higher. how do they explain that?

its just guess work... and the failed models show it was bad guesses.

My child, the models have not failed. The absurd denialist position, and of course you, have failed.