To provide healthcare to the 50 million Americans who don't have it
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Obamacare Upheld !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Thread starter AK Forty Seven
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To provide healthcare to the 50 million Americans who don't have it
Quote from wjk:
Listen to this 1961 Reagan speech about 45 seconds in for a possible answer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs
WOW amazing how prophetic it is...
Quote from wjk:
Listen to this 1961 Reagan speech about 45 seconds in for a possible answer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs
I've heard that before, i just posed the question wrong. I know and you know that this was done, in an extremely partisan and dirty way, to grant the govt more power. i just been drinking since about 11am or so...
I don't see why. If you readily accept the need for car insurance if you drive a vehicle, then you should have no trouble accepting the rationale. Is it "Un-American" for the government to insist you have auto insurance if you own and drive a car?Quote from Ricter:
I struggle with this myself. It's the American in me...
Quote from AK Forty Seven:
To provide healthcare to the 50 million Americans who don't have it
And how is obamacare more effective or better than expanding medicaid, which already exists, and we already pay taxes for? back in circles to my original question, what is the specific purpose of obamacare?
and by the way out of that 50 mil, how many can afford insurance but don't WANT it (if the # is even that high)?
Quote from PiggyBank:
And how is obamacare more effective or better than expanding medicaid, which already exists,
Its not ,nobody claims it is.The votes weren't there to expand medicaid so dems took what they could get to get all Americans healthcare.republicans are against expanding medicaid,they are currently trying to end it with the Ryan plan
If you decide to live in civilized society, there are mutually beneficial arrangements that we collectively agree to. Otherwise, you are always free to go and live in the woods. I think FT answered your question well.Quote from CaptainObvious:
...I will ask, why should you pay for my vehicle just because I can't afford too?
Recent evidence suggests that insurance companies are incapable of doing so in an acceptably comprehensive manner, left to their own devices.Quote from CaptainObvious:
...Who is best qualified to oversee all that money? Historical evidence would clearly tell us it ain't Uncle Sam.
Quote from AK Forty Seven:
Its not ,nobody claims it is.The votes weren't there to expand medicaid so dems took what they could get to get all Americans healthcare.republicans are against expanding medicaid,they are currently trying to end it with the Ryan plan
Ok and this is my gripe, we already have medicaid to support the poor. Instead of expanding medicaid, the dem congress and pres decided it was BETTER somehow to pass a mandate/tax forcing ALL OF US to buy insurance. Well for the people that don't pay taxes, we are going to have to buy them insurance, so why THE FUCK do we need both medicaid and obamacare?
Answer: we don't. They should have tried to make a national high risk pool by offering the providers incentives, like tort reform or selling interstate without a license, tax breaks etc, in addition to medicare for the poor. that benefits both the system and preserves our freedom. Issuing an ultimatum that declares you either buy insurance or pay a tax, simply is not reasonable in a FREE country. wtf.