Obamacare Upheld !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BSAM]

Quote from PiggyBank:

I don't even get what it is yet. We already have medicaid/medicare taxes, so why not just raise those? If you are poor and qualify for medicaid aren't we already paying for your healthcare? I just don't see what the purpose of this mandate/tax even is, to me it appears nothing more than a power grab. what am i missing?

Why don't we have just one tax, called a national sales tax; then we have a mandatory balanced budget?
Then, we can have "free" healthcare for all.
"Free", not just for old people, military people, poor people; for all the people of this country!

 

[Ricter]

Quote from Brass:

Does the Right's war on science, truth and decency count?

Hehe, that's just a big battle. The war is demography. : )

 

[BSAM]

Quote from Ricter:

I would if it's wartime.

(rolling eyes)

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from BSAM:

Okay.
Would you buy a General Motors product because the government demands that you do so because "it is for the support of a government"?

The real question is, would we even have a choice at all? That's where we're going.

 

[BSAM]

Quote from CaptainObvious:

The real question is, would we even have a choice at all? That's where we're going.

Indeed, that's where we are, as of today.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from OccupyThis:

"For all of the screaming the Right did over single-payer — and for good, outcome-based reasons — at least the money paid by taxpayers would go directly to government . The Supreme Court has signed off on what is, in very practical terms, a tax levied by the insurance industry on Americans simply for existing. It’s an amazing, and fearsome, decision that really should have both Right and Left horrified."

This is true. It is the equivalent of having to pay auto insurance simply because you're old enough to drive. Whether you own a car or not would be irrelevant.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from CaptainObvious:

The real question is, would we even have a choice at all? That's where we're going.

It's an interesting question. As far as I know (I'm not a customer), in Canada if you don't pay your healthcare premium, you don't get a card and so you don't get care at the hospital, but you don't pay a fine. Any Canucks want to correct me on that, please do.

 

[OccupyThis]

Quote from CaptainObvious:

This is true. It is the equivalent of having to pay auto insurance simply because you're old enough to drive. Whether you own a car or not would be irrelevant.

Right! It's now a tax based on behavior. So now taxes on fat people, people who don't workout, people who drink too much, who don't drink or eat the right foods, will all be applicable to keeping the costs of healthcare low for the common good.

This is absolutely nothing to do with healthcare. Period.

 

[Brass]

Quote from CaptainObvious:

This is true. It is the equivalent of having to pay auto insurance simply because you're old enough to drive. Whether you own a car or not would be irrelevant.

I think when you cease to have a living body you will be absolved of the need to insure it.

 

[PiggyBank]

Quote from BSAM:

Why don't we have just one tax, called a national sales tax; then we have a mandatory balanced budget?
Then, we can have "free" healthcare for all.
"Free", not just for old people, military people, poor people; for all the people of this country!

The 'free' healthcare aside, I'm with you. The pros of a simple consumption tax outweigh the cons by an obscene margin.