Obamacare to be Overturned?

[logic_man]

Quote from zdreg:

yours is big talk until the shit hits the fan. why don't you post a list of reasons that will justify in your mind not paying your 5 or 6 figure hospital bill if one unfortunately comes due?

Hey, if that ends up being the case, that's why we have bankruptcy laws, which enable people to reach mutually-agreed upon solutions to financial impasses. In a worst-case scenario, I would pay what the judge ordered me to and then bear the consequences as the bankruptcy worked itself off.

I'd rather that people go bankrupt individually than that the entire society go bankrupt from politicians buying votes by making promises the taxpayers can't keep.

But, the bigger question for me is, who the fuck are you to question my integrity? Go fuck yourself.

No need to respond, since you're already on ignore.

 

[piezoe]

Quote from zdreg:

liberalism is your religion. your words and actions are almost like the words of a religious zealot. the religious zealot says i am a man of peace and a man of god. join me in the faith. if you say no u die by the tip of the sword. in western society it is coercion by government via congress/parliament via legislation and/or the executive branch through executive orders.

I don't know what that word "liberal" applied to ones politics means any more. So I hope in your mind it's a good thing.

Certainly if the old definition were still valid I would be very proud to call myself a liberal. Whenever the the traditional meaning is intended, it's the opposite of zealot.

With regard to the subject at hand, I have a strong conviction that access to a reasonable standard of health care at a reasonable price, for everyone, should be one of the hallmarks of a civilized, modern nation, and that if the private sector proves incapable or unwilling to provide this then government would be justified in taking rather extraordinary measures, if necessary, and it shouldn't be, to achieve this.

This is a rare case, where in my mind, the ends might justify the means, even though in general I would not approve. I think I have made it sufficiently clear that my preference is always, and unalterably, for a private sector solution as apposed to one mandated by the government.

I am a pacifist, and if fired upon I would first look for safe shelter, but if none is available and there is no escape save death, I would return fire.

 

[tenthousandmen]

Btw, my bad for the previous "Obamacare overturned" title. Didn't mean to imply it was already overturned!

 

[Scataphagos]

Quote from tenthousandmen:

Btw, my bad for the previous "Obamacare overturned" title. Didn't mean to imply it was already overturned!

Pretty sure everybody knew that. If it were overturned, would be #1 story on the airwaves... even the Libtart MSM (along with tears and whining, of course.)

 

[plyka]

Quote from piezoe:

Many are hoping the court will strike down the individual mandate. I am one of them. We wouldn't be in this spot if our capitalist way of providing medical care hadn't utterly failed. The reasons for the failure can be debated endlessly, but I believe it is because capitalism only works well when there is free competition, i.e., what Ya'll call "free enterprise." Unfortunately, there is no free enterprise, i.e., competitive markets, when it comes to U.S. healthcare.

My preference is for the government to use its power of coercion to force those in the health care delivery business to compete, by deregulating, plus many other aggressive measures. But that's unlikely, even though it was the thrust of Obamacare as originally proposed. First the insurance companies were going to be forced to compete with the public option. Once that was in place, follow-on measures would have forced other non-competitive parts of our dysfunctional, inefficient, disastrous healthcare "system" to compete or leave the market to the government.

Those who fought tooth and nail to kill the public option and thus, foolishly believed they could indirectly kill Obamacare, may have, let's hope, played right into the hands of those who want a single payer, medicare-like system for everyone. Something unlikely to be struck down by the Court. Not my preferred solution, but far, far better then what our present day non-competitive, government protected, Medical Cartel has offered the millions who do not have reasonable access to a reasonable level of medical care at a price below that of bankruptcy.

I am hoping the court will strike down the individual mandate. Even if they don't, this is only round one.

I love how proponents of socialism get their wish, get massive involvement from the government in health care, and when that massive involvement from government causes the best health care in the entire world to go to shit, they say this:

" We wouldn't be in this spot if our capitalist way of providing medical care hadn't utterly failed"

The capitalist way of doing things ended in the 1960's with medicare and all the regulations. In fact, out of every single sector in the economy, i can only thing of 2 which have more government involvement than the health care industry:

1) Banking
2) education
3) health care

Of course the least regulated sectors, the ones with least government intervention are:

1) Internet
2) technology (tv's, computers, etc)

I wonder which sectors are doing better?

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from logic_man:

Hey, if that ends up being the case, that's why we have bankruptcy laws, which enable people to reach mutually-agreed upon solutions to financial impasses. In a worst-case scenario, I would pay what the judge ordered me to and then bear the consequences as the bankruptcy worked itself off.

I'd rather that people go bankrupt individually than that the entire society go bankrupt from politicians buying votes by making promises the taxpayers can't keep.

But, the bigger question for me is, who the fuck are you to question my integrity? Go fuck yourself.

No need to respond, since you're already on ignore.

"But, the bigger question for me is, who the fuck are you to question my integrity?"

you have no problem screwing someone else out of money and you call it integrity?

 

[zdreg]

Quote from logic_man:

Hey, if that ends up being the case, that's why we have bankruptcy laws, which enable people to reach mutually-agreed upon solutions to financial impasses. In a worst-case scenario, I would pay what the judge ordered me to and then bear the consequences as the bankruptcy worked itself off.

I'd rather that people go bankrupt individually than that the entire society go bankrupt from politicians buying votes by making promises the taxpayers can't keep.

But, the bigger question for me is, who the fuck are you to question my integrity? Go fuck yourself.

No need to respond, since you're already on ignore.

you honor me with the strong emotion of your prose even though you have shown your integrity to be a sham.

 

[plyka]

Quote from piezoe:

One can only hope that you acquire a serious and chronic health condition as soon as possible and lose your job and your health care coverage.

You're more insane than i thought. Wishing death on someone you don't know is a sign of serious mental illness.

 

[zdreg]

Quote from plyka:

You're more insane than i thought. Wishing death on someone you don't know is a sign of serious mental illness.

in this case, i must stand up for the liberal piezoe. his post is hyperbole and the lack of good weed to mellow himself out.

more important what is the definition of don't know. if you find someone's views abhorrent and wish them a bad end is not a sign of mental illness per se.

 

[Scataphagos]

Quote from logic_man:

"... I don't really see the "crisis" that "forced" Obama and the Dems to actually put Obamacare into law.

Was NEVER that, primarily. Was all about POWER AND CONTROL... DOMINANCE IN PEOPLE'S LIFE BY GOVERNMENT! "Health care" is just the misdirect.. the ruse... the excuse.