Obamacare Set To Drive New Wave Of Hospital Bankruptcies

you want to know why? it was not single govt payer and instead it was designed to give money and ever greater control to insurance companies... it even forced people who chose to do without to pay a jizra to the terrorists who forced this crap on us.

It sucked from the beginning. many of its gains were simply collecting names of people who qualified for medicare.

It was a disaster and young healthy people never wanted to signed up for their own premiums.

It left millions uninsured and it was advertised to be all about getting those millions insurance.
you know that which is why your tried to pre empt that argument with you weak "would completely eliminate the uninsured" mis direction.

What you posted may be true (mostly), but it does not address the real reason more were left without medical coverage than originally projected. It is a bit complicated and very clever on the part of those intentionally trying to destroy obamacare. I'll explain it to you.

In most states, particularly red states, single persons without dependents*, and who do not qualify for S.S. disability, can not qualify for medicaid no matter how little they earn. This is something not known to the average insured person! Furthermore the expansion of medicaid under obamacare was to include these single people who had very low incomes, of which there are millions. Single people with income well above the poverty level would qualify for premium subsidy under obamacare , but those who had incomes low enough to qualify for expanded medicaid would have income too low to qualify for premium subsidies!!! Republican strategists new this when the took obamacare to the Court asking that States be allowed to opt out of medicaid expansion. Nearly all the red states opted out, at least initially, saying (lying) they could not afford the expansion despite the expansion cost being federally covered 100% dropping to 90% after a number of years. What this did in effect is leave millions of young single people who were either over 26 or whose parents were already on medicaid without access to medicaid and without access to subsidized premiums. Their only access to medical care was through the emergency room! With time, in some communities charity clinics partially filled the gap during daylight hours, but some of these folks could not even afford the low co-pay at these clinics and would, even during the day, go to emergency rooms for care, where they can not by law be turned away. Of course after business hours they had no other option. Emergency care treatment is ridiculously expensive, and some fraction of those patients ended up being admitted and receiving many thousands of dollars of care (invariably greatly padded by the hospitals' business offices). Hospitals claim that they end up picking up the tab for these uninsured emergency room visitors.

Hence it was the Red states opting out of Obamacare that created all these uninsured non-medicaid eligible, non-subsidy qualifying people. The Republican plan worked beautifully, just as anticipated to do as much damage as possible to obamacare. And now, under the you break it, you own it principle, Trump with his additional moves to to create further damage, must, along with the Republican party, own Obamacare. What to call it? Trumplican-care???

You Break It, You Own It! I hope that bunch of morons are rightfully proud of their accomplishment come Fall of 2020. Eventually we will be able to credit them with helping to push the U.S. into Single Payer! (Be careful what you wish for, there might be unintended consequences!)

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*Good reason to get pregnant as the nineteen-year-old daughter of your drug-addicted, alcoholic, "disabled" medicaid-eligible parents. We call that "Family Planning -- Republican Version! "
 
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Eventually we will be able to credit them with pushing the U.S. into Single Payer! (Be careful what you wish for, there might be unintended consequences!)

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No. A failed Obamacare program designed to collapse and be replaced by single payer has always been the blueprint right from the beginning. We are simply on schedule.
 
No. A failed Obamacare program designed to collapse and be replaced by single payer has always been the blueprint right from the beginning. We are simply on schedule.
Go back and re-read my response. You didn't have time to read it thoroughly. You just gave a knee jerk response from your biased gut.
 
Jem, do you understand why Obamacare did not end up covering as many as projected? Think about it please, and consider which party is responsible for the failure of obamacare to cover as many as had been originally projected.

By the way, the first quote above is inaccurate, no one -- not even the original architects -- were projecting that Obamacare "would completely eliminate uninsured citizens".

You do realize that Tao's source is "Zerohedge"? Do I need say more!

Trump and the Republicans own Obamacare now.

What was wrong with the article? I mean, if you're going to criticize the source, the article must be faulty, right?
 
1. then obamacare should have been designed property and not set up to pour a ton of costs on the states. the governors choose to do the financially sane thing to do and not take on a bunch of costs they could not handle.

2. that is why they should have either gone single payer or had republicans participate in improving the program.

When you set up exchanges to screw working tax payers out of big money... you are not going to get happy participants.

my rates should not have doubled. I live in a blue state. I have a 10000 dollar deductible and I still pay over a grand a month for my family. The insurance part of my healthcare is screw job by Obamacare and the dems who voted for it. ( I like my doctors)

What you posted may be true (mostly), but it does not address the real reason more were left without medical coverage than originally projected. It is a bit complicated and very clever on the part of those intentionally trying to destroy obamacare. I'll explain it to you.

In most states, particularly red states, single persons without dependents*, and who do not qualify for S.S. disability, can not qualify for medicaid no matter how little they earn. This is something not known to the average insured person! Furthermore the expansion of medicaid under obamacare was to include these single people who had very low incomes, of which there are millions. Single people with income well above the poverty level would qualify for premium subsidy under obamacare , but those who had incomes low enough to qualify for expanded medicaid would have income too low to qualify for premium subsidies!!! Republican strategists new this when the took obamacare to the Court asking that States be allowed to opt out of medicaid expansion. Nearly all the red states opted out, at least initially, saying (lying) they could not afford the expansion despite the expansion cost being federally covered 100% dropping to 90% after a number of years. What this did in effect is leave millions of young single people who were either over 26 or whose parents were already on medicaid without access to medicaid and without access to subsidized premiums. Their only access to medical care was through the emergency room! With time, in some communities charity clinics partially filled the gap during daylight hours, but some of these folks could not even afford the low co-pay at these clinics and would, even during the day, go to emergency rooms for care, where they can not by law be turned away. Of course after business hours they had no other option. Emergency care treatment is ridiculously expensive, and some fraction of those patients ended up being admitted and receiving many thousands of dollars of care (invariably greatly padded by the hospitals' business offices). Hospitals claim that they end up picking up the tab for these uninsured emergency room visitors.

Hence it was the Red states opting out of Obamacare that created all these uninsured non-medicaid eligible, non-subsidy qualifying people. The Republican plan worked beautifully, just as anticipated to do as much damage as possible to obamacare. And now, under the you break it, you own it principle, Trump with his additional moves to to create further damage, must, along with the Republican party, own Obamacare. What to call it? Trumplican-care???

You Break It, You Own It! I hope that bunch of morons are rightfully proud of their accomplishment come Fall of 2020. Eventually we will be able to credit them with helping to push the U.S. into Single Payer! (Be careful what you wish for, there might be unintended consequences!)

____________________
*Good reason to get pregnant as the nineteen-year-old daughter of your drug-addicted, alcoholic, "disabled" medicaid-eligible parents. We call that "Family Planning -- Republican Version! "
 
democrats passed obamacare without a single republican vote.
They passed whatever they wanted to pass.
Gold plated single payer health or something designed to work... or this.
They could have copied canada or france or cuba.

What they passed was what the insurance companies told Obama Pelosi and Reid to pass. The created these exchanges and subsidies to screw the tax paying public as hard as they could. Between taxes, college tuition and this crap... the cronies have worked with democrats to take every excess dollar a family making 300 grand our year less... has.

Can you imagine a capitalist country where we have schools and insurance companies charging max price possible and then letting govt dole out money to offset the costs for the people who can't afford it. Its a system designed to soak up as much money as possible. its not designed to work for people.
its like reverse communism... but in a worse way. its cronyism with money extraction.

its about as far as you can get free markets you can get.
govt could have left the market alone and just paid for the poor people to have insurance.





He wanted to , but McConnel flatly refused to co-operate,

Jem.
 
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What was wrong with the article? I mean, if you're going to criticize the source, the article must be faulty, right?
I did comment on one thing wrong. But there are others too. I have to admit I look at everything coming from zerohedge with a jaundiced eye.
 
then obamacare should have been designed property and not set up to pour a ton of costs on the states. the governors choose to do the financially sane thing to do and not take on a bunch of costs they could not handle.
I don't want to unnecessarily belabor this point. But Obamacare did not pour any costs on the States. Those Red State governors lied. Their constituents paid via their federal taxes for expansion of medicaid. There was virtually no impact on State budgets. Even after dropping to 90% Federal Subsidy, most economic studies have concluded the additional State taxes raised from Medicaid providers would cover the States eventual 10% share. Let's suppose that the economic projections do not pan out. If I offer to pay 90% of your medical bills if you'll agree to pay 10% would you take the offer?
 
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