Obamacare & Adverse Selection

[maxitronixy]

Lets see if Obama care works. There are many instances of public health care system working without being over budget, say Canada, Australlia and Singapore.We'll see if Obama can overhaul and create a system that is solvent.


Btw I heard Australlia has one of the higest debt to Gdp ratios, is that true? If that's true, even being out of recession, it might be in the same boat as America and other overlevereged countries.

 

[dcraig]

Quote from maxitronixy:


Btw I heard Australlia has one of the higest debt to Gdp ratios, is that true? If that's true, even being out of recession, it might be in the same boat as America and other overlevereged countries.

High private debt. Housing is very expensive.

Public debt is low compared to most OECD countries.

 

[dumb_mother]

why exactly was the status quo unacceptable? was it because we had the best health care in the world? because that's how I, along with every rich person and politician in the world previously felt. just link me to it when moore choppers over to cuba for his care- o wait that is right everyone tells us our healthcare is horrible, yet when given the chance, demands to receive it.

2/3 of the uninsured were people under 25 yrs old gambling that they were healthy. i see absolutely no problem with this, and if they get some bad ass cancer while they are gambling, well some people would refer to that as karma- yet another thing i have no problem with.

the real problem is feeling entitled to everything. just because someone was born doesn't mean they are owed social safety nets. which surprisingly come from the same people who demand the right to kill their own child through abortion. pretty big oxymoron if you ask me.

 

[TheMan]

Quote from maxitronixy:

Lets see if Obama care works. There are many instances of public health care system working without being over budget, say Canada, Australlia and Singapore.We'll see if Obama can overhaul and create a system that is solvent.


Btw I heard Australlia has one of the higest debt to Gdp ratios, is that true? If that's true, even being out of recession, it might be in the same boat as America and other overlevereged countries.

yeah that sounds like a great idea.

since the governments track record with gov't programs is so great.


i mean shit, look at Medicaid and Medicare that is working out great

lets go ahead and let the gov't run the entire HC system since they have proven themselves to be completely incompetent shit heads with everything else they have attempted to do

you could hand the gov't a winning lottery ticket and they would fuck it up somehow

 

[Ricter]

Quote from rc8222:

I didn't vote for Obama but many in my family did, and now every one of them are freaking out over his signing this ridiculous Government takeover of our healthcare into law. I tried warning everybody prior to the 2008 election as to what a radical, liberal socialist Obama is, but no one would listen. Now, with our healthcare system no longer being the best in the world, I can only say to those in my family, and everyone else that voted for Obama who are furious about this takeover of our healthcare system, "YOU GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU DESERVE"!!!!!!!!! Once the rationing begins, I hope it's every Obama supporter that get's denied the urgent care they need. Take what Obama said at a townhall on healthcare a while back when told a woman who was 105 years old received a pacemaker. Obama considered the procedure for this old lady a waste, and that she should maybe be given a pill instead because the pacemaker wouldn't really prolong her life. Welcome to Obamacare. Which equates to a death sentence for the elderly, since the U.S. Government will now have sole authority to decide exactly what get's covered/not covered in your health insurance policies.

You could, umm, maybe, READ the arguments made in this thread before you type your identical, eternally unchanging point of view again. Evolution, ever heard of it? It's a good thing. Well, granted, not if you're inflexible.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Not everyone voted for Bush, not did I vote for the invasion of Iraq, which did not only not save lives, it cost many, many live, contributed to the national debt, for nothing at all...

Quote from SomeYoungGuy:

Well, in our defense, not everybody voted for Obama. Nor did I vote for bank bailouts or national health care. But I still get the tax!

America has something now that Australia did not when she instituted national health: the most efficient, well-funded and effective lobbying industry the world has ever known. This insures that only the most self-serving bits make it into the bill.

This bill is ~2000 pages and will cost a Trillion dollars. Here's a safe bet: it will cost more than that, there will be more unintended side effects than anyone now imagines, and the middle class will be worse off.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

The point is that we may have had the best health care in the world, for a shrinking number of Americans...

Just like saying we have the best education...when our test scores are not as good as other countries.

Just because we have the best that money can buy, more and more people are getting priced out of the money part of health care...

The wealthy are still going to get the best health care money can buy, but now those who are not as fortunate will get health care...

Do you get the point you dumb_mother?

Quote from dumb_mother:

why exactly was the status quo unacceptable? was it because we had the best health care in the world? because that's how I, along with every rich person and politician in the world previously felt. just link me to it when moore choppers over to cuba for his care- o wait that is right everyone tells us our healthcare is horrible, yet when given the chance, demands to receive it.

2/3 of the uninsured were people under 25 yrs old gambling that they were healthy. i see absolutely no problem with this, and if they get some bad ass cancer while they are gambling, well some people would refer to that as karma- yet another thing i have no problem with.

the real problem is feeling entitled to everything. just because someone was born doesn't mean they are owed social safety nets. which surprisingly come from the same people who demand the right to kill their own child through abortion. pretty big oxymoron if you ask me.

 

[Index piker]

Quote from fkbsuhites:

they're pissed a black man is in charge. the nonsense they spout shouldn't fool anyone. Most of the nutwings posting on here are lowlifes in real life.

uh-oh the cat is out of the bag now, nancy peelosi is a black man!

 

[hermit]

Quote from dumb_mother:

why exactly was the status quo unacceptable?

 

[Ricter]

You know what those commie bastards in Australia did with their stimulus spending? They gave money to their citizens, that's what!