Obama: Wisc. Governor Assaulting Unions

LORD KAL-EL · Feb 21, 2011

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I have no sympathy for the MORONS who think this is sustainable.

Since 2001, the nation has lost more than 2.5 million manufacturing jobs and more than 850,000 professional service and information sector jobs.

you think strong unions preserve jobs

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bugscoe · Feb 21, 2011

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Let's not forget the governor fabricated much of this budget crisis giving tax breaks to the wealthy and now wanting the working class to pick up the slack. Typical republican oppression of the working class.
Unions have negotiated and still the governor won't bend.Why? It's about busting the union, that's why. Typical republican tyranny over the common man.
And while were pointing out the hypocrisy of it all, perhaps we should consider what our congress is doing this week, or maybe what they're not doing. They have the entire week off for a one day holiday that most people don't have at all. Yet the republicans in congress rail away about the excessive benefits of some union worker. The irony of it all is tragic indeed.

You should write to Politifact who found:

Our conclusion: Maddow and the others are wrong.

There is, indeed, a projected deficit that required attention, and Walker and GOP lawmakers did not create it. [...]

The confusion, it appears, stems from a section in [Director of the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau Robert] Langâs memo that -- read on its own -- does project a $121 million surplus in the stateâs general fund as of June 30, 2011.

But the remainder of the routine memo -- consider it the fine print -- outlines $258 million in unpaid bills or expected shortfalls in programs such as Medicaid services for the needy ($174 million alone), the public defenderâs office and corrections. Additionally, the state owes Minnesota $58.7 million under a discontinued tax reciprocity deal.

The result, by our math and Langâs, is the $137 million shortfall.

It would be closer to the $340 million figure if the figure included the $200 million owed to the stateâs patient compensation fund, a debt courts have declared resulted from an illegal raid on the fund under former Gov. Jim Doyle.

A court ruling is pending in that matter, so the money might not have to be transferred until next budget year."

bugscoe · Feb 21, 2011

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you think strong unions preserve jobs :
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I just read this morning that up to 12,000 jobs will be gone from state and local gov in WI if the undemocratic Fleebaggers don't get their asses back from IL to fulfill their democratic obligations.

pspr · Feb 21, 2011

Quote from bugscoe:

You should write to Politifact who found:
Our conclusion: Maddow and the others are wrong.

There is, indeed, a projected deficit that required attention, and Walker and GOP lawmakers did not create it. [...]

The confusion, it appears, stems from a section in [Director of the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau Robert] Langâs memo that -- read on its own -- does project a $121 million surplus in the stateâs general fund as of June 30, 2011.

But the remainder of the routine memo -- consider it the fine print -- outlines $258 million in unpaid bills or expected shortfalls in programs such as Medicaid services for the needy ($174 million alone), the public defenderâs office and corrections. Additionally, the state owes Minnesota $58.7 million under a discontinued tax reciprocity deal.

The result, by our math and Langâs, is the $137 million shortfall.

It would be closer to the $340 million figure if the figure included the $200 million owed to the stateâs patient compensation fund, a debt courts have declared resulted from an illegal raid on the fund under former Gov. Jim Doyle.

A court ruling is pending in that matter, so the money might not have to be transferred until next budget year."
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Facts are to Democrats like Kryptonite is to SuperMan.

Lucrum · Feb 21, 2011

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Facts are to Democrats like Kryptonite is to SuperMan.

You made me spit my coke out.

CaptainObvious · Feb 23, 2011

So here's where we're at now. In a nutshell, we have a governor that is too stupid to recognize a victory when he has one in hand. The Unions have conceded and are willing to contribute the amount asked for. The budget can be balanced, albeit it on the backs of the working class, but balanced none the less. That is what he campaigned on. Evidently he's too much of an ideologue to do what he said he wanted to do on the first place.
It's painfully obvious why the guy has such an aversion to collective bargaining. That requires negotiation skills. Tyrants are short on those type attributes.

LORD KAL-EL · Feb 23, 2011

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So here's where we're at now. In a nutshell, we have a governor that is too stupid to recognize a victory when he has one in hand. The Unions have conceded and are willing to contribute the amount asked for. The budget can be balanced, albeit it on the backs of the working class, but balanced none the less. That is what he campaigned on. Evidently he's too much of an ideologue to do what he said he wanted to do on the first place.
It's painfully obvious why the guy has such an aversion to collective bargaining. That requires negotiation skills. Tyrants are short on those type attributes.

poor mistreated public unions:eek:

377OHMS · Feb 23, 2011

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So here's where we're at now. In a nutshell, we have a governor that is too stupid to recognize a victory when he has one in hand. The Unions have conceded and are willing to contribute the amount asked for. The budget can be balanced, albeit it on the backs of the working class, but balanced none the less. That is what he campaigned on. Evidently he's too much of an ideologue to do what he said he wanted to do on the first place.
It's painfully obvious why the guy has such an aversion to collective bargaining. That requires negotiation skills. Tyrants are short on those type attributes.

Governor Walker wants to eliminate collective bargaining for public employees. This model will spread across the country. Government workers should not have collective bargaining. The pigs at the trough are going to squeal bloody murder but it is what has to be done.

I notice all of the protestors are lilly-white. Where is the diversity among Wisconsin democrats? Are there no people of color teaching in Wisconsin?

CaptainObvious · Feb 23, 2011

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Governor Walker wants to eliminate collective bargaining for public employees. This model will spread across the country. Government workers should not have collective bargaining. The pigs at the trough are going to squeal bloody murder but it is what has to be done.

I notice all of the protestors are lilly-white. Where is the diversity among Wisconsin democrats? Are there no people of color teaching in Wisconsin?

And he can fight that battle another day. Right now the impending doom, albeit fabricated, can be avoided. The money is there. The concessions have been made. Even Charles Krauthammer said he's going a bridge too far. The governor lay's people off next week when he doesn't have to, he loses the battle of public opinion. Those were the words of Krauthammer last night on FOX.

377OHMS · Feb 23, 2011

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And he can fight that battle another day. Right now the impending doom, albeit fabricated, can be avoided. The money is there. The concessions have been made. Even Charles Krauthammer said he's going a bridge too far. The governor lay's people off next week when he doesn't have to, he loses the battle of public opinion. Those were the words of Krauthammer last night on FOX.

The country doesn't want government employees to be unionized. Its simple and its about to be fixed.

We won.