Obama White House Wants To Track And Tax Your Mileage

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Waste is waste where I come from.

We have to pay for road work in Australia?
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One man's "it's clear" is another man's "uhh, no it's not".

The "Australia problem". Our taxes are so high (only Australia is worse, see graph), that we've got to get those down before we can even think about looking for waste.

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Although slightly off topis this reminds me of a piece I saw on the local news. A particular traffic light camera was no longer collecting sufficient revenue to pay for it's upkeep so it was removed. I guess public safety was never really the goal to begin with.
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Yeah, just more PR garbage that we always hear when they move towards this totalitarian state.

Ricter keeps asking about how we pay for this stuff. Why not ask why we've had umpteen various "fringe" taxes added on in the past 20 years and we're still broke. All those cigarette taxes, amusement taxes, soft drink taxes, gas taxes, public utility taxes, etc, etc...the list is endless.

Has anybody read the little stickers at the gas station that tell you exactly what percentage of taxes go towards federal and local taxes when you pump a gallon of gas in your car? Hint, it's a shitload more than it was 20 years ago.

So Ricter, how did we pay for our roads 20, 30, 40 years ago? And how do you explain away the fact that we collect a significant larger portion in taxes from a gallon of gas now compared to then?

What if tomorrow, the government said that they were going to double their take on a gallon of gas, do you honestly believe in another 10 years we would not be having this exact same debate?

What's the common theme?
 
Quote from Ricter:

One man's "it's clear" is another man's "uhh, no it's not".

The "Australia problem". Our taxes are so high (only Australia is worse, see graph), that we've got to get those down before we can even think about looking for waste.

<img src="http://www.cbpp.org/images/4-13-11TopTenTaxCharts1.jpg">
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Sorry, but that does not account for all the incidental taxes that make up the day to day expenses of the average Joe.

It's a perfect diversion though. We can cite a less onerous federal tax burden, all the while they tax away on everything else.
 
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Sorry, but that does not account for all the incidental taxes that make up the day to day expenses of the average Joe.

It's a perfect diversion though. We can cite a less onerous federal tax burden, all the while they tax away on everything else.
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No, but it didn't include those incidentals for Australia (or the others) either. I don't think we can even have this discussion until we get ahead of Australia. Australia, for God's sake!
 
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Yeah, just more PR garbage that we always hear when they move towards this totalitarian state.

Ricter keeps asking about how we pay for this stuff. Why not ask why we've had umpteen various "fringe" taxes added on in the past 20 years and we're still broke. All those cigarette taxes, amusement taxes, soft drink taxes, gas taxes, public utility taxes, etc, etc...the list is endless.

Has anybody read the little stickers at the gas station that tell you exactly what percentage of taxes go towards federal and local taxes when you pump a gallon of gas in your car? Hint, it's a shitload more than it was 20 years ago.

So Ricter, how did we pay for our roads 20, 30, 40 years ago? And how do you explain away the fact that we collect a significant larger portion in taxes from a gallon of gas now compared to then?

What if tomorrow, the government said that they were going to double their take on a gallon of gas, do you honestly believe in another 10 years we would not be having this exact same debate?

What's the common theme?
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20, 30, 40 years ago we had a middle class, heavy unionization, and revenues were huge.
 
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What's the fairest way to [raise money] for road maintenance?
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Who cares about tax revenue sources of fairness... we have a much bigger issue to care about... protection of our liberty from the govt.

Don't people see both the left and the right are carving away our freedoms. Govt wants to and will become big brother chavez --- if all americans don't force the constitution back on the govt.

Once the govt gets more power over our lives, the powerful will take over the govt and it will be fricken late to yell constitution then.
 
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Who cares about tax revenue sources of fairness... we have a much bigger issue to care about... protection of our liberty from the govt.

Don't people see both the left and the right are carving away our freedoms. Govt wants to and will become big brother chavez --- if all americans don't force the constitution back on the govt.

Once the govt gets more power over our lives, the powerful will take over the govt and it will be fricken late to yell constitution then.
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The powerful will take over the government? Our government is made up of one-percenters now, so who more powerful is coming to take their place?
 
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The powerful will take over the government? Our government is made up of one-percenters now, so who more powerful is coming to take their place?
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the most ruthless of the 1 percenters.
 
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